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Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« on: Wednesday 27 February 13 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

My family are really interested in finding out about our family's longstanding association with Bamburgh Castle and the Blacksmiths shop at Bamburgh. We know where it is, it's now a holiday home (my husband was actually hired to help renovate it) - I'm just wondering where we can find documents regarding the blacksmiths shop.

We think the first direct ancestor to have the Blacksmiths shop was David Knox, born October 1844 in Wooler/Flodden. We don't know why he moved from Wooler to Bamburgh or indeed anything about his parents, apart from that I think they were called James Knox and Margaret.  In 1881 census he is listed as the blacksmith and living in Village main street. According to the censuses by the time he died in 1891 aged 47, he was a small grocer (is that a shopkeeper?) so we presume he passed the blacksmiths shop onto his son.

I would have thought that the shop would have passed onto James Knox, aged 21 in 1891 who was working there as a Blacksmiths assistant but in the 1901 census he has moved to Newcastle and has become a bricklayer. The blacksmiths shop seems then to have passed onto John Tait Knox (born 1877 Bamburgh) who was the apprentice in 1891. In 1911, he is listed as the Blacksmith. He died in 1945.

Now obviously after this, we don't have census's to rely on, but we do know that the eldest son David Knox (1898), even though he's listed as John Tait Knox's child the speculation always was that he was another mans child and he was treated differently, according to the next generation who I've interviewed. What I do know is he didn't take over the Blacksmiths shop but instead was a bit of a drifter after he got discharged from the army after the war and was only intermittantly in touch with the family.

The Blacksmiths shop actually passed onto the eldest daughter Elizabeth Knox, which I found very interesting....nobody is sure when she actually took it over, it could have been long before John Tait Knox died. There is a photo of her floating around somewhere in full blacksmiths gear. She never married and apparently ran the blacksmiths shop by herself, taking on apprentices.

At some point she retired from being a blacksmith but continued living at the same family home on village main street Bamburgh until her death.

As a matter of interest, we are actually descended from the youngest son, Selby who was born in 1917.

The family are really interested in anything to do with the blacksmiths shop. We would love to know first of all whether the family owned the blacksmiths shop or whether it was leased by the castle to them. We would like to know when our family became associated with the blacksmiths shop, was it the first David Knox (born 1844) or was there a Knox as a blacksmith there before him?
I've looked at the churchyard in Bamburgh and there are a lot of Knox's with quite similar names in the preceding generations in the churchyard, but I've not managed to get back any further.

Also whether the Blacksmiths shop was sold when Lizzie retired or whether it was always the property of the castle. We do know it was in an abandoned condition for about 20 years before it was redeveloped.

Also, I'm really interested in finding out anything about Lizzie/Elizabeth Knox as she's the first female ancestor I've come across who did something I'd consider slightly out of the ordinary (a lot of the females seemed to go into service as housemaids).

Any advice on where we'd find interesting extras (beyond birth/death/marriage certificates) on the history of Blacksmiths in Bamburgh would be really helpful. Even if it's just recommending websites/books. This is the first time I've tried tracing the history of a building and I don't have a clue!
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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 15:49 GMT (UK) »
When did Elizabeth Knox die?
Did she leave a Will ?

If she owned, rather than was a tenant, of the Blacksmiths, then that may help you find where it went to next.
IF it was owned by the Lord of the Manor and just leased out, then it wouldnt necessarily stay within the family.
The Local Record Office would then be the place to look to see if they hold any surviving records of the tenancies.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 15:56 GMT (UK) »
There is an entry in the Probate and Admin Index for the David Knox you refer to , who died 1891.

But he didnt leave a WIll, as there is only Administration granted, not Probate.

Seems he was still a blacksmith, though, when he died.

Here is the entry -

David Knox of Bamburgh Northumberland Blacksmith died 18 Oct 1891 Administration Newcastle Upon Tyne 31 January 1896 to Jane Knox widow Effects £103 - 8s
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 16:30 GMT (UK) »
St Mary Wooler
29th December 1844
David Knox
son of James and Margaret
father a blacksmith
abode Wooler
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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 16:36 GMT (UK) »
When did Elizabeth Knox die?
Did she leave a Will ?

If she owned, rather than was a tenant, of the Blacksmiths, then that may help you find where it went to next.
IF it was owned by the Lord of the Manor and just leased out, then it wouldnt necessarily stay within the family.
The Local Record Office would then be the place to look to see if they hold any surviving records of the tenancies.

The family don't seem to know, the general consensus seems to be the 1970's. Sadly she was the one who had all the family photos and my father in law said that they paid a removal company to clear out the entire contents of her house and all the photos and everything were chucked out. Sadly, they didn't even pay for a headstone for her grave and nobody now knows where exactly she's buried. I was quite shocked actually, I know from researching on my side that unmarked graves were common in the the 1800's, but in the 1970's?

I think it's a bit sad when she was obviously quite a forward thinking lady.
Knox's of Bamburgh/Wooler/Scotland?,
Smith's of Beadnell/Berwick-upon-Tweed/Ord
Hastie's of Berwick-upon-Tweed
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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 16:43 GMT (UK) »
The Post  Sunday 14th Jan 1917

Girl of eighteen  as blacksmith's striker

Berwick, Saturday

A girl of eighteen, Lizzie Knox the daughter of the Bamburgh blacksmith, is working from morning to night as blacksmith's striker, assisting her father in making horseshoes and in all other heavy work of the smithy.
She has thus freed her nineteen year old brother to join the army. From the outbreak of the war he has been anxious for some arrangement to be made which would allow him to enlist.

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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 16:54 GMT (UK) »
I think this is her birth reg -

JAn/Feb/Mar 1899
Belford Registration district   Ref: 10b 462 (Belford covers Bamburgh)

Lizzie Ann Knox
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 16:57 GMT (UK) »
And i wonder if this is her death - a little later than you were thinknig though

Feb 1985
Northumberland North Second
Ref 1 2465

Elizabeth Ann Knox age 86
d-o-b 25 Dec 1898

(that would fit with a birth reg in 1st quarter of 1899)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Knox's/Blacksmiths of Bamburgh
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 February 13 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Does Bamburgh Castle not have its own library,I would have thought the history of the village  would be well documented there,
this seems a fascinating post and I am sorry I cant help out,but I will be watching it out of interest,
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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