John BICE (BYSE/BISE) 1584-1657

[JaneyCanuck]

I don't think you said for this --


There is a baptism:

Jone Cruise
baptised 24 Nov 1594
Fowey, Cornwall
Father Richard Cruise


Where is there this baptism?

I just find the existence of baptisms for two same-named people -- this one and the one in Gerrans in 1593 -- a tad coincidental.

The OPC site doesn't have Fowey baptisms for that era (whether because they're not transcribed or because they haven't survived, or there was no parish church there at the time, I don't know but the Fowey OPC could tell you).

For the various records you're finding as you go along, it would help if you would give the sources and links if you can, just so the reader can assess their probative value.

(I do see the three Crewes marriages in Gerrans that you mention, at the OPC site -- connected as I suspected!)

[Goldberry]

Hi Janey

I have now found 4 baptisms.  The first two on the Family Search website (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajoan~%20%2Bsurname%3Acrews~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Acornwall%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1580-1600~)
and COPC (http://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=1580&year_to=1600&parish=&forename1=forename&surname1=crewse&forename2=forename&forename3=forename&t=baptisms&soundex=1&bf=Search):

Johan Crewes
16 Oct 1593
Saint Gerrans
Parents: John Crewes

Johan Crewe
14 Sep 1581
St Just in Roseland
Parents: Pascow Crewe
(Shown on COPC as Johan Cruse?)

This one on COPC:

Johan Crewse
28 Mar 1585
St Just in Roseland
Father's forename: Paskow

The fourth one is from the Find My Past website - data provider Cornwall Family History Society:

Jone Cruise
24 Nov 1594
Fowey
Father: Richard Cruise

The reason I wondered about a connection the Morwenstowe "Richard Crewes" is because his son Alexander goes on to spell their family name "Cruse" - so similar to the Fowey baptism - baptisms are on COPC.  This is obviously a different Richard from the Gerrans family because that one died in 1590, but I haven't been able to work out who he was - or were there two, one in Fowey and one in Morwenstowe?? 

Richard "Crewse" - Morwenstowe - children all COPC:

8 Aug 1596 Alexander
31 Jul 1599 Richard
11 Nov 1601 Marye

I haven't been able to find another marriage for a Richard Crewse, as that might have helped to solve the puzzle.

Alexander "Cruse" m Honor Warmington 27 Apr 1625 Kilkhampton -  I have found 6 children COPC.

It's all very confusing!    I wish it was as easy as her being the daughter of John of Gerrans because his family history is well-documented.  I can't find anything else about Paskow Crewe (other than a burial in 1572 of a Paskow Crewe COPC which obviously isn't the same person), or about another Richard Crewse.

Plus there is also the William Crews marriage in Braddock (same place as John Bice m Joan Crews) to take into account (http://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=959877), but I can't find anything about William either. 

William Crews m Joan Hicks 23 Nov 1600 Braddock

Thanks again for taking the time to look at the query.  I really appreciate your input.

[Janet White]

Well,  the BICE FAMILY is very interesting.

I have only gone back as far as Luke Bice 1790 and Grace Webb

Then their son Francis Bice 1808 married to Eliza Barwis ,   then their son Francis John 1832 then my great grandfather Luke Bice b. 1863 in Victoria Australia married to Sarah Ann Allen.

[DavidG02]

Add Elizabeth Bice b oct 1829 in Cornwall to Joseph Bice b c1793 and Frances Ann Tyzzar m 1823

Elizabeth married William Jacka in Perranzabuloe 1850 and emigrated to Australia aboard the Fatima 1850 and had 7 children

Yet no connection found with Samuel Sandoe Bice