HAWKINS of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy

[KGarrad]

Know nothing about John Colwill other than marriage date and he came from Bradworthy.

Hi, Elizabeth Hawkins and John Colwill were my gggg grandparents. Woolara

So you DID know something about John & Elizabeth!   They had at least one child!
And you knew where they were in 1861?

If you want our help, then please tell us everything you know.
Failure to do that means that some of us just give up! I did!

[Woolara]

No I do not know where they were in 1861.

[KGarrad]

 

In reply #7 you quoted various families from the 1861 census? 

[Woolara]

I have no idea if they relate to Elizabeth Hawkins though.

[rosie99]

I have no idea if they relate to Elizabeth Hawkins though.

I assume then that your Elizabeth Hawkins appeared in Australia/N.Z prior to the 1841 UK census. If so where do you get the information that she was born Kilkhampton.  Do her death records give any indication as to who her parents were.

Rosie

[JaneyCanuck]

I sowed confusion here -- it was the son of Elizabeth Hawkins and John Colwill, Charles Colwill, who emigrated to Australia pre-1841 with his wife Eliza Lemon (the Lemon thread).

Information about Charles Colwill and Eliza Lemon is taken from their records in Australia, and that's how the name of Charles Colwill's mother Elizabeth Hawkins is known, I think.

And/or woolara found the marriage of John Colwill and Elizabeth Hawkins in 1812 in Kilkhampton.

So as I said -- What you are actually looking for is the family (parents ...) of Elizabeth Hawkins who married John Colwell in 1812 in Kilkhampton?

I think this thread is a good example of how it's best to ask the question one really wants answers to, rather than tangential questions about people who may or may not be related.

The subject of interest here is really Elizabeth Hawkins who married Charles Colwill, and the various senior Hawkins chaps in the vicinity are just people who may or may not be related to her (e.g. brothers).

I certainly think that identifying siblings can help find more info about one's person of interest, for instance if a sibling's birth/baptism record can be found even if a record for the person of interest can't.

But for others to help, we do need to know what we're looking for, to start with. 

[rosie99]

Thanks Janey

So to find Elizabeth we need to know when & where she was born.  To establish her approx date of birth we need her death or census details.

John & Elizabeth appear to be having children christened in Kilkhampton between 1811 & 1819
(familysearch.org)
Charles 1813
Elizabeth 1815
Joseph 1814
Florence 1819
also William 1811 

Pure speculation but in 1841 Tavistock, Devon H0107   249/10 f10 p14
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQT2-K11
There is a John Colwill age 70 Born in County (Devon)
Florence Colwill age 20 not bn in County.

In the adjacent household there is (Elizabeth might be related  )
Thomas Rubby 40
Elizabeth 25
Thomas 8
Elizabeth 5
Judith 6 mths
all bn in county

There is a burial in Tavistock c1835 for a Elizabeth age 65 but that won't help locate where she was born.

Rosie

[JaneyCanuck]

Looks like a good bet for Florence -- have to wonder whether that John, born c1771 or a little earlier, was her father or grandfather, though!

But the 1835 death of an Elizabeth aged 65 would match with that John. But then she would have been about 50 when Florence was born, so hm.

If they really were that age, one might wonder whether one or both was widowed when they married ...

I would guess that the Rubbys were really Rubys.

[Woolara]

The Tavistock option is interesting. Maybe John and Elizabeth moved down there when Charles left for Australia. Woolara