Author Topic: HAWKINS of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy  (Read 3996 times)

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HAWKINS of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« on: Saturday 23 February 13 04:54 GMT (UK) »
Does anyone know this Family? I can't find anything about them after 1861 so wondered if they migrated somewhere.
Thanks for any enlightenment.
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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 February 13 06:35 GMT (UK) »
Can you give us the details from the 1861 please so we know who you are talking about  :)

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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 February 13 08:20 GMT (UK) »
Firstly, there are 22 Hawkins living in Bradworthy on the 1861 census.
It's difficult to know which ones you are referring to?

Secondly, Kilkhampton is in Cornwall.
However, the Bible Christians had a circuit based at Kilkhampton, which covered parts of North Devon. I have ancestors from that area who were baptised "at" Kilikhampton!
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 February 13 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for replying. The ancestor I am searching is Elizabeth Hawkins (married John Colwell 1812 Kilkhampton) but I can't find anything about her birth or parents. I believe she must have been born about 1790. I noticed in 1861 Thomas, Richard and Joseph Hawkins were born in Kilkhampton but then living at Bradworthy so wondered if they were her brothers but no details on their births either. It seems that the Cornwall/Devon boundary must be there somewhere. I live in Australia so not sure about all that. Any enlightenment gratefully accepted. Woolara


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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 February 13 08:24 GMT (UK) »

You originally asked where were the family after 1861. Can you please give us the details from the 1861 please so we know who you are talking about.

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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 February 13 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Given the 1861 census ages of Thomas (63), Joseph (73) and Richard (66) it's highly likely that they had died by 1871.
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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 February 13 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. 1861 census
Thomas Hawkins (63) born Kilkhampton living at Bradworthy an Ag lab, his family Elizabeth (50) William (11)Richard (7)
Richard Hawkins (66) born Kilkhampton living at Bradworthy an Ag Lab, his family Jenny/Jane (56) Thomas (9)
Joseph Hawkins (73)born Kilkhampton a farmer - Hardsworthy Farm, his family Grace (70), William (35), Richard (32), Susanna (30), Moses(27)
So do not know if related to Elizabeth or not. Woolara

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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 February 13 00:29 GMT (UK) »
Woolara, we just had the same problem in your thread about Lemon -- it turned out they had emigrated in 1837 so me looking in the 1841 census was pointless. (Is this John Colwill related to Charles Colwill in that thread I wonder?)

The thing to do is give the facts that you have, when you ask a question -- in these cases, specifically, when did your people of interest leave England, and who were they, and what information do you have about them? Names, dates, places -- all the things you know that nobody else does. ;)

(You may have noticed this pattern in your other threads too -- you ask for info about Person X and give a few sketchy details, someone offers a suggestion of a household in a census, and you say thanks but ... Person Y would have been a decade or two older than the one in that household ... Giving all the relevant info to start with prevents false starts and wasted effort like that.)

What you are actually looking for is the family (parents ...) of Elizabeth Hawkins who married John Colwell in 1812 in Kilkhampton?

You likely have an idea of her age when she died, which would be the starting point for looking for her baptism, but you're the only one who knows that at this point!

The only way to tell whether those Hawkins-s born in Kilkhampton were siblings of your Elizabeth would be to find baptisms for one or more of them, and for her.
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Re: Hawkins of Kilkhampton/Bradworthy
« Reply #8 on: Monday 25 February 13 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Here is the 1812 Hawkins + Colwill marriage:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=835537

A Joseph Hawkins was a witness, but the parish records don't state the relationship. If Joseph in the 1861 census (born c1788) was her brother, it could have been him, as he was likely older than her. Or it could have been her father.

If you search in marriages for surname Hawkin (covers Hawkins) in Kilkhampton
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/marriages/
there are two Joseph marriages, to Mary Jenkin 1776 and Grace Tremere 1782. They could possibly be the same man, widowed and remarried. That marriage would fit with the birth of a child who married in 1812 (and with the ages of all the Hawkins men in the 1861 census you mention), but that's just surmise at the moment of course!

The complete list of male Hawkins-s born in Kilkhampton in the 1851 census is:

Joseph c1788 (called Hawking in 1841)
Richard c1798 (called Hawking in 1841)
Thomas c1799 (called Hawking in 1841)
& John c1805 (can't see him in 1841)

I might wonder whether the surname was originally Hocking (Hocken, Hockin ...) a common Cornwall name.
http://www.hockingdescendants.com/
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?