Author Topic: Immigration - Duckworth  (Read 6089 times)

Offline tongariro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 28 February 13 01:19 GMT (UK) »
Dear Lu,
From a tentative enquiry about a woman who went off to NZ with her two children - reputedly leaving her husband behind - then returning to the UK, I now have a quite comprehensive history of two related families living in NZ and later Australia.  You have provided me with names of ships they travelled on, their employment, their various addresses, and schools attended by their children.  The only thing that you haven't provided seems to be their telephone numbers...  ;D

Robert & Elizabeth Duckworth went back to the UK and Robert resumed his previous employment as a weaver in the cotton mills, albeit in a different village some distance away from their home town of Blackburn.  Their son, young Robert, was in the army in WW1 and had half his arm blown off, along with a very serious foot injury on the same side - it makes one wonder if that might have been avoided if they had stayed in NZ.

It is interesting to note that Edith Eaton (NZ born) was back with her parents in Australia in 1924.  As previously mentioned, she went back to the UK in the summer of 1922 and her mother travelled alone back to NZ in December 1922.  Edith must have followed along later.

I can now put together the story and type it up for my friend and her mother and I can illustrate it for them too - with the ships that the Duckworth and Eaton families sailed on.  I have a superb photo of the "Wimerra" sailing from Wellington (I think), and photos of the Seydlitz, Britannia, Delphic and Orcades. The only one I cannot find is the "Omba" on which Robert & John first sailed to Sydney in 1901.

My friend's mum (daughter of the young Robert Duckworth) phoned her cousin (daughter of Eveline who went to NZ as a 9 month old) and they had a chat. The cousin has vague memories that Robert & Elizabeth Duckworth wanted to go back to NZ but were persuaded not to by the rest of the family - may or may not be true.  It is known that young Robert always remembered being at school in NZ and wanted to go back.

It is rumoured that the cousin has some school reports (or similar) from Robert's time in NZ but she is apparently a 'difficult' person and a hoarder.  It seems that even if she could be persuaded to find the paperwork and share it, it would take a police search team to find it  ;D   That's a bit of a shame!

It is known that Robert Duckworth died in 1934 and Elizabeth re-married in 1938 aged 63, only to be widowed again.  She had a reputation of always moving on - never staying in one place for long.  She ended her days in 1947 aged 72, living in a very old 'one up - one down' cottage in a village called Grassington in Yorkshire.  The bedroom floor had knot-holes in it and you could see down into the room below!  :)

Thank you for all your effort Lu - I suspect you enjoyed the search.  It is what we do when we can, isn't it.  I remember producing a 12 page document for a lady in Vancouver (very distantly related) who was having difficulty tracing one side of her family.  I got her back to about 1780.  I did something similar for another very distant relative in Ottawa.  And spent 4 years conversing on email with a lady in Arlington, Virginia - providing each other with information.  All good and absorbing fun.  I am a grumpy old bachelor  >:( with health issues which keep me semi-housebound, so I enjoy the chase.  I keep finding new bits about my own family background.

Unless you have something else hidden up your sleeve, I guess that is as far as we can go on ths topic.  I am glad you found refuge from your heat wave in the library - it was productive for me.  However, I cannot wait for you to start feeling chilly - it might mean that I can enjoy a little warmth over here  :)  We have had 3 rotten summers in a row, it is time for a good one.

Best regards & keep well.
Malcolm

Yorkshire (Rawdon) EXLEY.
Scotland (Dumfries) REID

Offline Billyblue

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,066
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #28 on: Friday 01 March 13 02:21 GMT (UK) »
Malcolm
Before the time of your EATON family, but thought this may be of interest to you.

Indexing for Ryerson from 1851 Sydney Morning Herald, found inquest report for one
'EIGHTEEN, Samuel also known as EATON, Samuel.'

I'd never have thought of looking for a surname of EIGHTEEN if I was researching EATON, would you?

Dawn M
Denys (France); Rossier/Rousseau (Switzerland); Montgomery (Antrim, IRL & North Sydney NSW);  Finn (Co.Carlow, IRL & NSW); Wilson (Leicestershire & NSW); Blue (Sydney NSW); Fisher & Barrago & Harrington(all Tipperary, IRL)

Offline tongariro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 02 March 13 03:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dawn.

In searching for my Exley relatives I have foud them transcribed as Ealey, Esley, Ecley etc.  The X in Exley seemed to cause some problems!  To find EIGHTEEN for EATON is stretching it a bit too far and it wouldn't even cross my mind as a possible surname!  ???  The Exley name was mainly restricted to two small areas of West Yorkshire - rather like the Duckworth name being most common around Blackburn in Lancashire.

I noticed you live around the Brisbane area - one of my favourite ports in Australia, along with Melbourne.  I have recently discovered that a cousin of my 2x great grandfather arrived in Melbourne in about 1852 with his wife and chidren - the gold rush era, I guess.  Then a cousin of my grandfather went to Melbourne with his wife and children in 1921.

Malcolm
Yorkshire (Rawdon) EXLEY.
Scotland (Dumfries) REID

Offline tongariro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 02 March 13 18:36 GMT (UK) »
Lu
I don't know whether you are still following this thread, or whether I am pushing my luck with you ::) but.....

You may recall that we found the record of Mrs E Duckworth (27), Robert (3) & Eveline (1) sailing out to Wellington on the 'Britannia' - 2 Novembewr 1902 (per ancestry).

However, careful page by page inspection of the ship manifests show that 'Britannia' sailed via Bombay to Australia (and thus probably via Suez).  The destinations of the ship's passengers on which the Duckworth group sailed included Cape Town, Hobart & Wellington only - a different route.

The result of my search indicates that not one, but two lists of passengers have been tagged on to the 'Britannia' list.  It would appear that the two additional ships did not have a 'front' page with the ship's name, Master &c.  (There are just too many passengers listed for the one ship of the time anyway).

I might be 'pernickety' but I like to be right and I am also a ship enthusiast, so I was wondering if there are any arrival records for the Duckworth family in Wellington in early 1903, and what ship they they were aboard??  Having read a number of postings of yours on other threads, you seem to be a fountain of much knowledge, so I thought I would just ask  :D

Regards
Malcolm

[PS  The ship on which Robert Duckworth & John Eaton sailed to Sydney on in 1901 has been transcribed as 'Omba' and it should be 'Oruba' - an easily understood error on looking at the hand writing!]
Yorkshire (Rawdon) EXLEY.
Scotland (Dumfries) REID


Offline Lucy2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,642
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 02 March 13 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Malcolm

... last things, first.  ;D

I'm happy you managed to find the error concerning "Omba" and "Oruba".    I'd been about to add a note to your thread about this.

There was a vessel "Omba", largely working (I think) in Australian waters (- transporting coal or somesuch ?)

But yes, Ancestry (bless them), has "Omba" where it should have "ORUBA", in its listing.  ;D

The "Mariners in Australian Waters" site also has the "ORUBA" passenger list for the April 1901 voyage, along with images of the original passenger list.

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/search.htm

It seems that the "Oruba" had something of an eventful trip ?  (AUS. newspapers at TROVE website - June 1901)

-----

Will see what I can find re:  DUCKWORTHs to Wellington.

   ~  Lu


Offline tongariro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 02 March 13 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the 'Mariners" & "Trove" links, Lu.  Very interesting.

Mmmmm... a fire in the mail room on the "Oruba" (no smoke detectors then - just a fire watch patrol); plus a couple of mutinous crew members at Port Jackson!

I have sent a correction to Ancestry about the name of the ship  ;)

Malcolm
Yorkshire (Rawdon) EXLEY.
Scotland (Dumfries) REID

Offline tongariro

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 109
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 05 March 13 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello once more Lu!

This is just to let you know that I have, at last, found the ship that Elizabeth Duckworth sailed to NZ on - with her two children.  When I found it I didn't know whether to laugh or cry   :'(

You will remember the manifest on which she appeared was attached to one for the "Britannia" - that is how Ancestry had interpreted it.  The next manifest in the month was for the "Corinthic" and it was in the same neat and distinctive handwriting.  I deduced that the ship which Elizabeth had sailed on must have been a Shaw Savill Line ship (like the Corinthic)

I then found a list of all arrivals at Wellington and sorted out the Shaw Savill ships from the list and proceeded to find their London departure manifests over a two year period - from early 1902 to early 1904 - Athenic; Gothic; Delphic; Ionic....Maori; Tokomaru; Waiwera....

I was looking for a stray header sheet with the name of the ship on it.  I found the maifests for all the ships according to their approx 6 month round trip schedules - NOTHING FIT!  :-[

After many hours of page by page searching over 2 days, I was about to give up.  But I had been blind to clear evidence which I should have seen from the beginning.  The ticket numbering system indicated a sailing between August & December 1902 so I went back to that period, only to discover, on closer inspection, that the 'unidentified' manifest was pages 3 to 6 of the "CORINTHIC" passenger list - proved by the cumulative totals of different 'passenger type' columns at the top & bottom of the pages (married, single, male, female &c) :-\.

I was so stuck on the idea of the manifest being attached to the "Britannia" that the "Corinithc" didn't really register, even though the handwriting was the same as the 'unidentified' one.  Two days wasted, but a lesson learned!

I could have saved myself embarrassement by not metioning the above - but what the heck  ;D

So that seems to be the last piece of the story - except the death year of John Eaton, but that doesn't matter.  Once again Lu, thanks for all your help and input  :-*

By the way, the "Corinthic" was on her maiden voyage.

Best regards,
Malcolm
Yorkshire (Rawdon) EXLEY.
Scotland (Dumfries) REID

Offline Lucy2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,642
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 06 March 13 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Malcolm

WOW !!   Congratulations  .... well done, you.   :)     A splendid effort, and excellent result.   ;D

I hadn't realised until this search, the shambolic nature of some of those passenger lists.   :o
----------------------------

I did make a note somewhere, ??  (but obviously ... not in this thread), of John EATON's death.

Will (re) find it and post details here.

Cheers
   ~  Lu



Offline Lucy2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,642
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Immigration - Duckworth
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 07 March 13 03:24 GMT (UK) »
From TROVE (Australian newspapers website)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home


Hi Malcolm

Notices for John EATON, available on above link ^ :

"The Argus" (Melbourne)

-  Wed.  -- 16 July 1946 - page 2
-  Thurs. -- 17 July 1946 - page 16

   ~  Lu