McCormack - Patrick & Bridget/Catherine

[Mack1957]

I am looking for any information about Patrick and Bridget McCormack who may or may not have been born in Co Mayo. He was born in around 1811 and Died in 1868 in Nottingham. He married Bridget who also may have been known as Catherine, I believe in Ireland. Bridget/Catherine's maiden name was something like Hewes or Heives. I cannot find any record of Bridget Catherine's death in Nottingham, she lived there in 1871 and wonder if she moved back to Ireland after that date. Can any one out there help?

[heywood]

Hello Mack,

where do you get your information re Bridget/Catherine? I notice that some of this is posted here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,36358.msg4733011.html#msg4733011

I am presuming this is your family:

1851 Patrick 40 yrs widower with James 12 yrs and Roger 10 yrs lodging in Nottingham.

1861 Patrick and Bridget 40 yrs with these plus other children born Ireland and Nottingham.

1871 Catherine 52 yrs with children Mary, John and Martin

Do you have any birth certificates of the children born in Nottingham? This would help with Bridget's surname and Bridget/Catherine name.

Who was the informant for the death of Patrick?

Lastly, where is the Mayo connection?

regards
heywood

[Mack1957]

Hi Heywood

Many thanks for your response.

Your presumption is correct -this is my family. The 1851 census info however is new to me and I am grateful for your bringing it to my attention. I am quite new to this sort of thing and am kicking my self for forgetting to extend a search to include the McCormick variation of the surname. The Patrick McCormick listed as a lodger would seem to be my relative, but it does raise a couple of interesting questions if he was indeed a widower at this time. This would indicate that he married Bridget/ Catherine when he was in England. A quick search has found a record of a marriage of a Catherine McCormack in Nottingham in 1855, which would fit with the birth of my great grandfather Martin in 1857. Unfortunately the database that i have access to does not mention the spouse.

I have seen the birth certificate of my great grandfather and this is where I have picked up the possible surname Heives or Hewes for Bridget/Catherine(I'm afraid that it is not clear.). The birth cert names Catherine (not Bridget). Do you know whether either the name Heives or Hewes features in Ireland and Co. Mayo in particular. I may try to obtain sight of the birth certificate of one of his siblings to see if the maiden name is clearer.

I have recently ordered a copy of Patrick's death certificate and hope to find the identity of the informant in the next week or so.

The possible Co. Mayo connection has come from another of your correspondents, although I have been unable to find any connection myself. Again do you know if the McCormack name or its variations feature in the area.

Again many thanks for your help - I am finding it a fascinating experience researching my family and would really like to place them in Ireland. I imagine that they moved to England during the famine, which I understand was particularly bad in Co. Mayo.

Kind regards
Mack

[heywood]

Hello again,

it is difficult and I think you need a bit more evidence for Bridget/Catherine at least.

1851- Patrick is a widower according to whoever gave the information so one never knows. However, looking at 1861, James and Rodger have aged by abt 10 yrs which would fit - they are now 21 yrs and 18 yrs.
The next child is Mical 12 yrs, born Ireland. There is quite a gap between Rodger and Mical but children may have died. The younger children then follow at 2 yr intervals.
Often a gap like this followed by children indicates a second marriage.
It would be good to get a birth certificate to compare the mother's name.

There is a marriage in 1858 Nottingham of a Patrick McCormack but the spouse would be either Ellen or Mary Ann. 

[Mack1957]

Hi Haywood

Again many thanks for your response.
I agree, it would be useful to get more info on Catherine and will see if I can obtain a copy birth certificate for one of Martin's siblings to see if the maiden name is any clearer.

I am not now so sure that Catherine is the best route to my establishing the Co Mayo link, given that it seems that the marriage was after the family arrived in Nottingham. Your comments to another post have however helped enormously. You suggested that the 1911 census might give more information to the place of a persons birth. I have been fortunate in that one of Patrick's sons born in Ireland (Roger) was still alive at that time and the entry for him has been translated as country of birth Ireland - Mays. However when I view the actual entry, it looks very much like Mayo to me. Interestingly his wife, who was also still alive in 1911, was also listed as having been born in Mayo. Which would indicate, to me at least, that the Irish community in Nottingham stayed quite close in the early days. As such I now feel that I have confirmation that my family did indeed come over to England from Mayo. Very much a eureka moment for me.

My next task is to try to establish whereabouts in Co Mayo they may have lived. Are you aware of any resource which might indicate that McCormacks might have lived in a particular town/parish? From some of the sites that I have found on the net, the name or its derivatives do not seem to be particularly common in the area. I might however be looking in the wrong places of course.

I don't think that the 1858 marriage will be relevant as the related names are not ones that I have previously come across - although I am learning to keep an open mind.

Regards
Mack
 

[heywood]

Hello again,

it is very difficult without other information - townland, religious denomination and parish. Additionally, civil registration did not begin until 1864 - earlier for some marriages.

Griffiths Valuation was taken during 1850s so your Patrick would probably be in England by then but it may help to see distribution of McCormacks in Mayo.  http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ .
Remember to tick for variations of the name.

As you say, you often find people from the same area living in close proximity in England and that is where Catherine's maiden name may have some use - in cross matching names in GV.  Sometimes church records can help here if baptism sponsors are recorded - again to cross match names.

http://mayo.rootsireland.ie/  is a pay to view site but there is (I think) still a free index search. You have to buy credits to view and the information given can vary.

heywood