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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:35 GMT (UK) »
ancestry website where i have been building my tree isnt coming up with anything for that name though :(

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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #10 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:36 GMT (UK) »
William Henry Warley - 1913 is definatly correct as i have a birth index and it says that mothers maden name is James


May I ask who William Henry Warley married  :-\

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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like getting a copy of William Henry's 1913 birth cert would be a wise investment - then you would know both his parents names for sure and not start following a completely wrong line.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #12 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:40 GMT (UK) »
William Henry Warley - 1913 is definatly correct as i have a birth index and it says that mothers maden name is James


May I ask who William Henry Warley married  :-\

Rosie

William Henry Warley married an Ethel Emily Small


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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #13 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Do you have that marriage cert? If so who does he name as father on there?
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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #14 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:45 GMT (UK) »
Do you have that marriage cert? If so who does he name as father on there?

no i dont but her father was Frederick Henry Small... that side of the tree has been well researched, back to the 1700's its the warley side that im struggling with///

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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #15 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Not a lot more to say - the birth cert would put an end to your struggles!

But (as asked before) where did the info come from that his father is a George Henry?
The indexes indicate it is more likely to be Alfred H - but that is not confirmed (you need the cert for that)

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Parker - Sussex
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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #16 on: Friday 15 February 13 16:54 GMT (UK) »
ok ill get on to a certificate - thanks for your help

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Re: Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 February 13 00:03 GMT (UK) »
I am a little curious about this all round.

(First off, it is a really good idea to start out with what you really *know*, in this case that your grx2 grandparents were William Warley and Ethel Small who married in 1941 -- if that is what is known for certain, to the certain knowledge of living people or from a chain of certificates.)

You are looking for the identity of your grx3 grandparents, the parents of your grx2 grandparent William Henry Warley 1913.

William married in 1941 and had children in the 1940s.

So someone born in the 1940s was your great-grandparent ... your great-grandparent is barely older than me!

At a stretch:
The eldest of their children (I believe this is the correct child, from a surname in a later generation) could have had a child around 1960 who would be your grandparent.
That child could have had a child in the late 1970s who is your parent.
That would make you born in 1995ish at the earliest, really! Unless there was a succession of really very young parents in your recent ancestry.

It's about 70 years since the birth of the eldest child of your grx2 grandparents William and Ethel, who would be your great-grandparent. We need to squeeze in three more generations of people who are now adults, in those 70 years: 70 divided by 4 is an average of 17.5 years -- say they were born:

1942 - 1960 - 1978 - 1996

-- or something like that -- which would make you about 17. Were all of your recent ancestors child brides or grooms?  ;D

I can't resist -- You say you have been trying to track down your grx3 grandparents for some time now ... is that measured in weeks? ;)

Are you quite sure that this couple -- William H Warley and Ethel E Small who married in 1941 -- are your great-great-grandparents?

I don't mean to pry or be rude, it's just that it really would be uncommon these days for someone to be a great-grandparent before the age of 55: it takes three generations of people having children before the age of 18, on average. And it doesn't seem like that is what happened in your family. It seems like you have added at least one generation between William & Ethel and yourself that did not exist.

Obviously you don't need to give us details and shouldn't, about any living people, but are you very sure that your tree goes:

you
your parent
your grandparent
your great-grandparent
your great-great-grandparents William Warley 1913 and Ethel Small 1916

? This probably doesn't affect your tree back from there, as the descent from the 1941 marriage makes sense except for the number of generations. But it's a good idea to be very sure of who you are tracing.

So ... if William and Ethel are your forebears one way or another ... and William is the one born 1913 to Margaret M James and Alfred H Warley:

Margaret M Warley born c1895 died 1931 in Plympton
Alfred Henry Warley born 1891 died 1974 in Plymouth

So ... one would think that the living child and grandchild of William & Ethel would have known Alfred before his death in 1974, if he was William's father?

In 1901, Alfred Warley was in Plymouth with parents William H and Bessie.
I think Margaret James must have been from Wales, but far too many Margaret M James-s were born 1895-6 to guess.

Do come back with the certificate info when you have it, and good luck!!
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?