Looking for Information on my Great, Great, Great Grandparents

[03jmain]

I have sent you a PM.... ethel and william are my 2x great grandparents... im looking for williams parents, my 3x great grandparents

[JaneyCanuck]

Got your PM, and no, I am not the one who has the generations muddled up.

It goes exactly as I had surmised:

you
your parent C
your grandparent S
your great-grandparents William Henry Warley and Ethel Emily Small

As I said, you invented an extra generation in there! William's parents are your grx2 grandparents, not your grx3 grandparents.

And that's what you said in your PM -- but in your thread here, you started out by saying that William's parents were your great great great grandparents.

I guess it was just a slip of the keyboard, but it threw me, anyway, for a loop. But you're still saying that now! --

ethel and william are my 2x great grandparents... im looking for williams parents, my 3x great grandparents

Noooo, they aren't.
William and Ethel are your great-grandparents, not your 2x great grandparents.
William's parents are your 2x great grandparents, not your 3x great grandparents.

As you say, both C and S can remember William and Ethel -- but can S at least not remember Alfred? Alfred died three decades after S was born. If he was S's grandfather, would S not have known him? Does S recall paternal grandparents at all?

It certainly looks like William's parents were Alfred Henry Warley and Margaret M James -- but William's birth certificate is the only thing that will say for sure!

[03jmain]

yes sorry, i know what im meaning but its not what im typing... appoligies everyone! ive been going back and fourth through generations and my mind is mush!

anyway back on topic, no S cant remember her grandparents - something went on and william was basically shunned by his parents so S never actually met her grandparents

[JaneyCanuck]

Ah, one always wonders about estrangements, and how they do chop down family trees and leave stumps.
(We in the colonies have a similar problem -- the generation that left and all subsequent generations are out of sight, out of mind, as far as those who stayed home are concerned, and too often just didn't pass on family information at all.)

Git the 1913 birth certificate, and it should all come clear! If the parents are Alfred and Margaret, Alfred seems pretty easy to sort out now, and at least knowing Margaret's father's name will help with looking for her. A Margaret James in Wales may be even worse than my James Hill in Cornwall for identifying, and whatever her father's name is, it won't likely help much more, but it all gives us something to do. 

[03jmain]

Ah, one always wonders about estrangements, and how they do chop down family trees and leave stumps.

Yes, so we'll most likley never know now but all my grandmother knows is that she was never taken to visit her grandparents and never knew anything about them... i have a theory that it was to do with him getting hitched to a "Small" as apparently they had a lot of gypsies on their side of them family whereas the warley side of the family were very proper...

Git the 1913 birth certificate, and it should all come clear! If the parents are Alfred and Margaret, Alfred seems pretty easy to sort out now, and at least knowing Margaret's father's name will help with looking for her. A Margaret James in Wales may be even worse than my James Hill in Cornwall for identifying, and whatever her father's name is, it won't likely help much more, but it all gives us something to do. 

I have ordered the certificates tonight, so hopefully it could help me... i didnt know you could actually do this, wasnt expecting quite so much of a charge - i wont be ordering certificates for everyone!

[rosie99]

I hope that you ordered them through the GRO at Southport (£9.25)  and not one of the other highly inflated sites.    Luckily nowadays you can find out quite a bit without having to purchase certificates but it is always the best route when in doubt. Let us know what they say. 

Rosie

[03jmain]

well well well, big overhall here - i got the birth certificate for william henry warley only to find that williams father isnt george as i was informed - it is infact a Alfred henry warley and a Margaret (aka maggie) may warley formally james - but sadly this information doesnt show any kind of hints on ancestry.com so im not getting any further back just yet:/

[DOB7]

An Alfred Henry WARLEY was baptised at Sutton-on-Plym, Plymouth, Devon, 8th Sep 1891, son of William Henry WARLEY (a shipwright) and Bessie. So it looks as though your William Henry was named for his grandfather.
Here is the family in 1891:
Piece: RG12/1729 Plymouth, Enumeration District: 18
Plymouth Charles, Ecclesiastical Parish: St Johns
Folio 96 Page 53 Schedule 398;  32 St. Johns Road
WARLEY William H. Head Marr 23 Shipwright b. Plymouth       
WARLEY Bessie Wife  Marr 22 b. Plymouth
WARLEY William J. Son 2 b. Plymouth
WARLEY Ernest E. Son 11m b. Plymouth

Maggie May JAMES was baptised at Brixton 28 Apr 1895, dau of Thomas (a labourer) & Mary of Brixton.

[lizdb]

but sadly this information doesnt show any kind of hints on ancestry.com so im not getting any further back just yet:/

Hints are just hints - you can't do research by relying on them!

The info from the birth cert takes you back to the marriage that was found in reply #2
So you are a step further.
That marriage cert, or finding the marriage in a parish register, would give the names of the bride and grooms fathers, hopefully you will then be able to trace the family back through the censuses.