Electoral Roles in Failsworth 1906 to 1935

[dobfarm]

I'll ask again

What age was John on his 1913 marriage certificate

[castana1985]

27 as stated in my last post, which ties in with 1885!

[dobfarm]

Sorry

 the post we posted about the same time

Have you consided that John could have remarried and died very old in another area

[castana1985]

That may be another option, but it seems odd that all his three children that he had with Mary Jane ended up in care. If he did change his name, I was wondering if someone could look up the electoral registers for the addresses we have for him. He may just arrived in Failsworth under his 'first' name??
We know he got married in 1913 from 5 Ash Street, just off Oldham Road, so I wonder if he is there, a few years before.
Another idea, was to see if anyone had any registers for the Moston Pit, as I'm assuming he worked there? Thats where Frank Sidlow died. So again, if registers exist - that would be another avenue??
On his army pension, his occupation before enlisting was a Getter.

[heywood]

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to post 1911 details but if you have access you could do an address search for Ash Street in that census.
1911 and 1912 Failsworth electoral rolls are missing by the looks of it http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200391/sources/665/electoral_registers_and_burgess_rolls

[dobfarm]

Hi Castana

To be honest!

Most help on this website is online help. If lucky! some members who live close to archives will do simple or straight forward look ups like a parish register BMD on a known date or Quarter 3 month ( on known church/parish) from free BMD GRO index if the church is known that only takes say 1 to 2  hours max.


Blanket searches of post 1911c info! (alot eliminating info-ie;- a wrong grave) that needs deep research, graveyard viewing, trawling newpapers, un-named, indexed by street only electoral registers and finding the right church if a parish BMD event is needed in un-indexed parish registers etc, This can take days and few people will do that free.

You could be lucky ! and find someone.

John's youngest childs birth certificate that went into care will give John's name -if he had say John as his middle name-?? also may give a last known address or if John died months or still alive before the child was born etc. Mary may have died in childbirth ?

The date the children went into child care may be because both parent had died before that date

Dobby

[heywood]

Good morning.

It is difficult isn't it!
He can't be in Ash Street in 1911 because he would be in the census.
If he was there 1912 - the electoral rolls are not there and would not help really.
1913- he gives Ash Street as his address.
1913- son John is born - is that at the same address?

I have no idea re Moston Pit - you could try Manchester Archives perhaps? Just noticed that you have been here before http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393248.msg2644016.html#msg2644016

Of course he may not have worked at the Moston Pit

If you think that the death is John, I am not sure either re the sanatorium records but there is a reference here:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=C1883019

heywood

[dobfarm]

By 1914 its likely John would be at war and Ash street accomodation in 1913 could be a relative or boarding house or army barracks if John is not living there on 1911c

[heywood]

By 1914 its likely John would be at war and Ash street accomodation in 1913 could be a relative or boarding house or army barracks if John is not living there on 1911c

Hi Dobby,
if you read the thread again, you will see what Castana already has. Much of what you have said in the last two posts is either known already or not being requested.

1913- he is married from Ash Street
1914- he enlists from Oldham Road and his war record is known

1925- Mary Jane dies - certificate and  grave is known
1927 - possible/probable death for John - grave now found if right person

Pre 1913- no sign of John in registers or censuses with the birth details he gives on enlistment - 1885 Newbiggin

As Ash street is earliest known address (marriage) that would be the first place to look.
Unfortunately, Electoral Rolls (the title of this thread) are not avaiable for 1911 and 1912.
An address search could be done by Castana for 1911 census but looks unlikely as there is no John Seymour around in free index for Failsworth.

Castana has not asked for newspaper trawling and parish searches in this post and other means you have referred to.

Often we can be successful on RC - in this case, the success will be the death and grave of JS if it is him which will provide the reason for the children being taken into care perhaps. So we have not failed but not been as successful as we had hoped - yet   

regards
heywood