how to trace people from Ireland to Australia, marriage banns

[FamilyDet]

Needing help on tracing people that came to Australia from Ireland in the 1830's and 1840's.  Also wondering about marriage banns.

[PrueM]

Hi livpete,

Two very different questions, really.

Firstly, have you looked at the Australian Resources board?  That will have lots of links to sites with information about immigration.

What was it you wanted to know about marriage banns?  Which country and religion are you talking about?

Regards
Prue

[FamilyDet]

Hi Prue,

Will check out the Resources board.

With the marriage banns just wondering what the difference is with a marriage certificate.  It was in Australia, New South Wales and the Presbyterian Church in 1848.

[KGarrad]

It used to be the case, and still is in some churches, that notice of an impending marriage had to be read out in the parish church of both parties, on 3 successive Sundays, before the wedding.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banns_of_marriage

[majm]

It used to be the case, and still is in some churches, that notice of an impending marriage had to be read out in the parish church of both parties, on 3 successive Sundays, before the wedding.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banns_of_marriage

I think you will find that the wiki article is referring to the practices of the Church of England parishes in ENGLAND.   


The practices of the Presbyterian Church in New South Wales AUSTRALIA were not ever governed by the Eccs laws of the Church of England.  The civil laws of NSW from 1823  separated English Civil Laws (including the various Marriage Acts) from New South Wales Laws/General Orders of the Governor.

With the marriage banns just wondering what the difference is with a marriage certificate.  It was in Australia, New South Wales and the Presbyterian Church in 1848.

It is not usual to find extant copies of Banns records for NSW.   If the either the bride or the groom was serving a current sentence of transportation (not likely for a 1848 marriage) then permission to marry would need to be sought from the Prison authorities.   Transportation to NSW effectively ceased in 1840.  There were of course persons still serving their sentences in 1848 in NSW.

As the NSW BDM was not established until 1856, civil registrations don't commence until that time either.  Prior to 1856 you need to rely on Early Church Records.   The NSW BDM holds the authority to issue certified records of the ECRs.   The ECRs are scant on vital information from a family history perspective. 

There are some alternative ways to hopefully break down or at least make cracks in brickwalls.

Cheers,  JM 

[giblet]

If you need some help just post some names etc and will see what we can find for you 

[PrueM]

It used to be the case, and still is in some churches, that notice of an impending marriage had to be read out in the parish church of both parties, on 3 successive Sundays, before the wedding.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banns_of_marriage

I think you will find that the wiki article is referring to the practices of the Church of England parishes in ENGLAND.   

That's true, JM, but wasn't/isn't the requirement for the reading of the banns the same for CofE as it was/is for Presbyterians?

[FamilyDet]

Thank you so much.

The names I have are for a Bridget McDonald.  She states on one of childrens birth certificates that she was from Dublin, and her age in 1862 was 38.  Her death certificates states that she had been living in nsw since 1840.  She married a Francis Morris in 1848 by banns in the Scots Presbyterian church.  She signs her name with an x mark.  On the marriage banns she is a spinster and a member of the scots church.  Witnesses at the wedding were John McIntosh and Jane McIntosh.  The other one is Francis Morris, on all his childrens birth certificates he states he came from Limerick and was a house painter.  His age in 1862 is 42.  They were living in Goulburn Street, Sydney in 1862.  On his death certificate he puts the year of arrival in nsw as 1839, per Morentia.  The death certificate was not filled out by a relative.  His occupation is a painter on his death certificate.

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