Noah shalders 1770

[GregoryUK]

Hi everyone,

I am trying to find out about Noah shalders born 1770 in Norwich. He was christened in the swedeborgian church. He married Elizabeth bloy. I have hit a brick wall with him. Igi does not bring anything up at all. Potentially he is the brother of a Thomas shalders born 1777 who's son moved to new Zealand. Also I there is a Jacob shalders in Norfolk but Noah is not mentioned as one of his children. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Also there are stories that the shalders could be of continental/ Dutch extract as many settled in Norwich as skilled craftsmen. If anyone knows anything about this, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you

[berkeley]

Hi, have you tried the familysearch site?? I also found a post for Shalders from 2002 from a Graeme Shalders, this was on a ancestry board, he said he had loads of info if anyone wanted it. He gave an e-mail address, I will PM you with it. I'm not sure if this helps, if you try www.thepeerage.com/P32469.htm#i324690 you will see the Crisp family, scroll down, there is a marriage for an Elizabeth Shalders, father, Jacob from Suffolk, this may be a different family. Dave.

[trish1120]

I typed up lots of possible info on the Shalders and lost it as having problems with my Net.
Check out;
www.freereg.org.uk and http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php

NOAH was buried 1835 age 70 (birth c 1765)
He was a Witness at the Marriage of RICHARD Shalders 1785 (possible Brother?)

JACOB Shalders Married Mary FITT,  22 July 1760, St Mary, Worstead

Trish

[Meslc]

Hi

I am trying to connect a Jacob Shalders (Grocer of Norwich) to my Norfolk Robins family tree (his mother may have been a sister of one Jacob Robins?)... However, I too have found the marriage of Jacob Shalders to a Mary Fitt in 1760 and then have found 9 children baptised in a non-conformist chapel in Norwich (I haven't discovered which one yet) between the years 1761-1780.  There is not a Noah amongst them but there are some 'gaps' in the years between these children so possibly a Noah could be hiding there?  Not sure if this is helpful to you?  Jacob Shalders and a son John were active grocers in Norwich during the late 1760's-1800 and I believe another son Richard was a 'carrier' - he was missing from the baptisms I found too.  Their business was at some stage in and around Bridge Street in Norwich.

Meslc

[Meslc]

PS: Just seen the post re Noah being a witness at a Richard Shalders' wedding in 1785... The gaps in my baptismal list are between 1767-1780 so it is feasible that Richard could have been born around 1767 (or a year of two later) and still be older enough to be married in 1780.

Meslc

[Siamese Girl]

Jacob Robins d. Aylsham 1764 left a will which was not proved until 1780. In it he mentions his son-in-law Lionel Shalders who was married to his daughter Mary. They were the parents of Richard, bapt. 1731 and Jacob bapt. 1736 at Bradfield Independent Chapel.

Carole

[Meslc]

Hi Carole

As I thought Jacob Shalders' wife was a 'Robins' but her father Jacob does not tie in with my Jacob Robins as he died in Cawston in 1758 (and is buried in the churchyard there) and he also left no Will.  However, Brettingham Robins (one of my Jacob's son's) clearly names their son Jacob Shalders (baptised in 1736 at Bradfield Independent Chapel) as 'his cousin' and executor in his Will of 1782.  Brettingham Robins has a son William Robins (1765-1810) also names "Friend John Shalders, City of Norwich, Grocer" in his Will.  John (I believe) is a son of Jacob Shalders as he is mentioned in trade directories of 1812 as being a Grocer alongside Jacob.

Had it not been for Mary being a Robins I would have just thought 'cousin' perhaps just meant he was a close friend of Brettingham but I am sure the connection is more than that but just how Jacob Robins of Aylsham (Aylsham and Cawston are very close to each other in Norfolk) ties in with Jacob Robins of Cawston I am not sure.  My Jacob marries under a Marriage Bond in Norwich in 1730 and not Cawston but I have no proof (yet) he originates from there.

Thank you for your help... it ties up one loose end for me

Regards,

Deborah

[Meslc]

Hi Carole

Just a postscript to my message above... the only way the above would connect to my Jacob Robins is if the Jacob Robins who died in 1764 in Aylsham is his father?  Then Mary Robins would be my Jacob's sister and hence her son Jacob Shalders would be Brettingham Robins' cousin.  My Jacob is born c1708/09 and if the Jacob who died in 1764 was born late in 1680 or 1790 it would fit.  Have you had sight of Jacob Robins' Will?  I know they can be obtained from the Norwich Records Office.  Also my Jacob was a Baker (a trade that goes on down through the family) so it would be interesting to know what Aylsham Jacob did for a living?

Kind regards,

Deborah

[Duggie20]

Hi,
I am a descendant of Noah Shalders, please respond if you wish more information. Some of Noah's descendants moved to Australia in the 1850's.