Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?

[Geordie daughter]

What a confusing family they've turned out to be. At least you've found solid evidence that Edward  was officially listed as one of James and Sarah's children and that he was born in 1876, Cando, for which many thanks! Hopefully this will help present and future Landells family researchers, too. The existence of Adam James Douglas Landells remains a mystery for the meantime.

Judith, thank you for Sarah's birth entries - somewhere along the line I'd come across a birthdate and place of 11 December 1841, Coburg, Victoria, for her (which clearly differs from the birth registration info you've given me), but no details of her parents. The entries appear to back up her being named Sarah Jane Singleton, hence her being referred to as either Sarah or Jane depending on the source.

[cando]

I don't see a confusing family at all.  Wouldn't be the first time a child wasn't known as the name used at birth registration....and won't be the last.  I have a niece who didn't like her birth name so announced when she was nine or ten she wished to be known as ***** and she is still is.   She is in her late forties now.

Adam James Douglas LANDELLS born 1876 whose family called him Edward born 1876.  Surely you can see that.  Possibly James and Sarah decided to call him "Eddie' to avoid confusion with Adam James his eldest brother.  So there is no mystery.

There is more about Sarah available if you want the info.

Cheers
Cando

[Geordie daughter]

The Landells certainly do like to reuse the same names through several generations and across the branches, which can lead to confusion. I've so far mostly concentrated on James's family and his direct ancestors as the Landells aren't a main line of my husband's so I haven't (yet) had the situation where two cousins of the same sex born around the same time in the same area are given the same names. I've had that a few times in other trees and it takes a while to untangle them.

If it's no trouble, the extra info about Sarah would be lovely, thanks, as it gives a fuller picture.

[westernwombat]

What a confusing family they've turned out to be. At least you've found solid evidence that Edward  was officially listed as one of James and Sarah's children and that he was born in 1876, Cando, for which many thanks! Hopefully this will help present and future Landells family researchers, too. The existence of Adam James Douglas Landells remains a mystery for the meantime.

Judith, thank you for Sarah's birth entries - somewhere along the line I'd come across a birthdate and place of 11 December 1841, Coburg, Victoria, for her (which clearly differs from the birth registration info you've given me), but no details of her parents. The entries appear to back up her being named Sarah Jane Singleton, hence her being referred to as either Sarah or Jane depending on the source.

Sarah Jane SINGLETON
born 11 Dec 1842 Coburg -- this would require registration in 1843
died  7 Oct 1900

[majm]

Sarah Jane SINGLETON
born 11 Dec 1842 Coburg -- this would require registration in 1843
died  7 Oct 1900

No it would not require registration in 1843 for an 1842 birth, as Victoria had not yet commenced civil registration because it had not yet been separated from New South Wales.     At the NSW BDM online index there's the following BAPTISM indexed for 1843:

Volume 27A, line 3252  (Vol 27A is C of E)
Sarah J SINGLETON parents as Ralph and Jane.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCN-FQX  Sarah Jane born 10 December 1843, baptised St James, Melbourne, Christmas Day 1843.

NSW civil registration commenced in March 1856.   Victoria was separated from NSW in 1851.

Vic BDM online index has following for 1843 under the heading birth :
Sarah Jane SINGLETON, parents as Ralph and Jane #13559
It will be a record of her baptism.

ADD
My older brother (born late 1930s, NSW) chose to change his given names and his surname while still at school.  He did not need to complete any paperwork at all, and when marrying, he married using those 'new' names.  His children carry that 'new' surname.     

My second cousin (born 1918, NSW) also chose to change his surname, albeit when he had completed his schooling, and when he married he too married using that 'new' surname.   His NSW marriage registration has 'endorsements', ie changes made to it after the registration was processed.   His wife had provided information about her parents, but it was not correct, and so several weeks after the marriage the newly wed couple went along to the registrar and 'fessed' up.   And then the next week, the newly wed couple returned and 'fessed' up that the groom's parents details were also wrong.   So there's two formal endorsements, changing all the details about the four parents on that one 1940s marriage cert.   

Of course, those two male relatives have discovered that in this century they need their own marriage certificates to prove those name changes as today's computerised systems and the current employees simply cannot comprehend that in past decades males changed their names.


JM

[majm]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKN2-8XCT
Coburg Pine Ridge Cemetery
Sarah Jane Singleton LANDELLS

http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search/ 
Sarah LANDELLS

JM

[judb]

Death of Sarah Jane's father Ralph SINGLETON, March 1862
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5711464
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5711529

There is also a will for Ralph which gives the name of his farm as "Bolenbroke" which is the same place of residence given by Sarah in registering one of her children according to the snippet posted by Cando.
prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

Judith

[cando]

Sarah Jane SINGLETON
born 11 Dec 1842 Coburg -- this would require registration in 1843
died  7 Oct 1900

Not correct.  Sarah Jane SINGLETON was baptised at St James Church, Melbourne - no civil registration in Victoria until Jul 1853.

The parish record was handed, as required by legislation, to the Victorian BDM Registry for recording.  This is a parish record of Sarah's baptism.  I have a CD with images of early bdm records sadly doesn't want to load for me today.  I'll try later.

Baptism
SINGLETON Sarah Jane
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Brunswick  1843    Reg#13559
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#275

Siblings
Baptisms
SINGLETON George
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Merri Creek  1841  Reg#12657
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#269  Died 1862.

SINGLETON Betsy
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Merri Creek  1847  Reg#15431
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#286

SINGLETON Ellen
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Merri Creek  1847  Reg#15432
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#286

SINGLETON Jane
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Moonee Ponds  1853  Reg#18191
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#302

SINGLETON Mary Anne
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Moonee Ponds  1853  Reg#18192
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#302   

SINGLETON William
Father Ralph  Mother Jane
At Moonee Ponds  1855  Reg#18950
Denomination - Church of England, Parish St James, Melbourne  Fiche#307

And his civil registration
SINGLETON William
Father Ralph  Mother Jane HAWBISON
At Moonee Ponds  1855  Reg#3191
 
SINGLETON Robert
Father Ralph  Mother Jane ROBINSON
At Pentridge  1860  Reg#12553

Other surnames recorded for Jane were OBBERSON, ORBISON and ALLBISTON.

Their arrival as Assisted Immigrants - Index at Public Record Office of Victoria
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24
SINGLETON Ralph 27, Jane 25, Thomas 7 and Samuel 3 arrived Jun 1841 on the FRANKFIELD  1/6    

From the Cheshire Parish Records database - it appears that Ralph was married previously to have sons aged 7 and 3 on arrival in Jun 1841.  I think bachelor in this instance means not married.  Of course the children may have been Jane's.

http://cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
SINGLETON Ralph, bachelor, full age, joiner, father John, occupation labourer. Groom signed.
ALLBISTON Jane, spinster, full age, father Thomas occupation labourer.  Bride marked with a X
25 Dec 1840.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Dec 1840   
SINGLETON    Ralph    Northwich    19/188
ALLBISTON Jane         Northwich    19/188    


Jane's death registration has rather odd information.  Wonder who was the informant?
SINGLETON Jane
Father Ralph  Mother Jane ORBISON
1860  48 years  Born Moonee Ponds??  Reg#7762

SINGLETON Ralph
Parents unknown
1862  51 years Born Cheshire  Reg#1368 


Buried at Melbourne General Cemetery - Church of England Section K   Grave#349

Sacred to the memory of
Jane SINGLETON died 19 Aug 1860 age 48 yrs
Ralph SINGLETON died 10 Mar 1862 age 51 yrs
also their children Mary Ann died 2 Apr 1855 age 2 yrs
George died 13 Jun 1862, age 22 yrs.

Ralph's will was probated and has been digitised.  Often slow to download.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

To  my daughter Sarah Landells, I will and bequeath twelve acres of Land to be taken from that part of the cultivated portion of my farm at Bolingbroke, most convenient to my son Robert's portion of land.

Cando

Apologies for any duplication of information.....lots of interruptions today.

[judb]

The image for the marriage of Ralph SINGLETON and Jane ALBISTON shows some extra detail - the marriage took place on Christmas Day 1840, at the parish church of Davenham in Cheshire.  Jane's sister Frances was married to John BOSTOCK on the same day.  Witnesses for both marriages were Thomas BUTLER and William HORTON.  The spelling of the women's surname is ALBISTON on this document.  All parties were resident at Stanthorn.

The PROV immigration records show a John BOSTOCK on the same voyage as Ralph and Jane but no Frances.  Age given for this John BOSTOCK is 19 but the marriage record says he is of full age (over 21) 

The immigration records have a discrepancy -
The image for the Victorian record at PROV shows
Ralph SINGLETON, 27, carpenter, can read,
Jane, 25, housemaid, can read, and the children James (Thomas?) 7 1/2 and Samuel, 3 all from Cheshire.

The image of the NSW immigration record shows his name as Joseph SINGLETON and the elder child as James.  This image is easier to read than the PROV one, so I think the elder child's name is James but the forename for the adult is definitely different.

Looks as though Jane's sister and husband did come with them - NSW immi records show
John BOSTOCK, 19, Labourer, can read and write
Frances BOSTOCK, 18, house servant, cannot read or write.  Both from Cheshire, both Protestant.

Another record for this voyage (Frankfield arr Port Phillip 1843)
is for Thomas BUTLER, 29, labourer and his wife Ann, 28, with children Martin 4 and Mary 1 also from Cheshire.  A Thomas BUTLER was a witness at the ALBISTON sisters' weddings.