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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 18 February 17 06:11 GMT (UK) »
... Why do you ask?

I asked simply because to me you were overlooking or by-passing the posts that addressed a significantly valid document that gave you quality answers to the question you posed.  You see, to me a Victoria birth certificate is a primary source containing first hand information from a parent about themselves and their child/children.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369963.0  and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

I did NOT consider you obtuse.   :)

I too see that photo as a composite,  to me there's a difference in the scale, colouring, lapel placement etc. 



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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 18 February 17 06:32 GMT (UK) »
....not to mention the age comparison with his supposed siblings.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 18 February 17 06:36 GMT (UK) »
The posy in the lapel seems out of place too.

Is there any indication that he returned from South Africa for any family reunion or similar? 

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 18 February 17 12:00 GMT (UK) »
I posted a request for opinions on the 1920 photograph on our Old photographs, restorations etc board. 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765475.0

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 18 February 17 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Cando, I think you may have hit the nail on the head with your newspaper clipping from the Police Gazette. Edward may have been regarded as the black sheep of the family because of this incident, given that they were staunch Methodists, and perhaps this is why he is so difficult to pin down. Perhaps he was "edited out" of family recollections at some stage then reinstated later?

I have James Douglas Landell's wife down as Sarah Jane Singleton on my database, but this is open to correction as I have very little other information on her.

Westernwombat and JM: Edward George Landells married Elizabeth Cutting who was South African-born and bred, and the sponsors at their children's baptisms were mostly relations on her side of the family. I'm not aware of there being any Australian Cutting relatives. As far as contact between the families goes, a James Landells is named on the baptism of the eldest child, Edward George junior, but this could be Edward's possible twin brother Adam James Landells, rather than the father James. After that point the Landells don't seem to have featured in family events, so perhaps there was no further contact. Edward senior died in 1952, several years before my late husband was born, and his family appear to have subsequently distanced themselves from the Cutting side, which is why we had so very little information on him.

As far as the photo goes, there is another pic of Edward on that same site, on his own in a slightly different pose but with the same buttonhole, so it's probable that his image was added to the group photo for one of the reasons Debra suggests.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #50 on: Saturday 18 February 17 15:34 GMT (UK) »
Just had a thought: the picture of Edward may have been taken at his wedding in South Africa in 1900, hence the buttonhole. The photo experts would know whether his clothing tallies roughly with that date, I expect. Baby Edward was born just nine months later, so James Landells may have been present at the wedding too, although he does not appear as a witness on the marriage entry. If he was only present at the baptism, he may have been given a copy of the photo to take back to Australia with him at that point.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 18 February 17 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Edward George was NOT a twin.   I can clearly see this from the first hand information recorded on John Dallawal LANDELLS birth certificate, with the informant as his mum, Sarah, (snippets showing this gleaned from images of that official civil registration and posted earlier in this thread).   

May I support the notion that Edward George became known by that name, but that his birth was perhaps registered with the given names of Adam James Douglass.   

It is still not illegal in Australia for any person to become known by a different name that was not recorded on their birth registration.   It was certainly a great deal easier in the 19th century for that change to occur without any formal paperwork.   

To me, it is quite logical that James and Sarah LANDELLS son Adam James would have retained his name, and that his younger brother (Adam James Douglass) would have become known by another name to distinguish the two lads. 

Does anyone have the Vic BDM 1882 birth registration for Henry?  If so, what names are recorded for his siblings?  .... #1588.  I would expect it to include all his older siblings.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 19 February 17 00:07 GMT (UK) »
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200547005 The Age 4 March 1878
Adam James Douglas LANDELLS, a child two years of age, residing with his parents at Coburg, was admitted to the Melbourne Hospital on Saturday, suffering from a fractured thigh, caused by his falling over a heap of onions while running about his father's yard.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 19 February 17 02:56 GMT (UK) »
And in the Coburg Leader Edward LANDELLS, a telegraph messenger, a witness at an enquiry into a death in 1892.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66899821

Photo of Sarah LANDELLS nee SINGLETON 1875
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/13161064

Bill and Dave LANDELLS c1900 - rabbiting
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/14210640

Dave LANDELLS 1906 - ferreting
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/13163810


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