Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name

[murney]

Yes, I saw that he was listed twice - he must have been visiting his brother at the time that the census page was being filled out and then was stricken off when it was discovered that he didn't live there.  It also looks like he may not have been married as he claims that he was married c. 1899 and he clearly wasn't as you found him in 1901, single.  I thought that I had gone through every connotation of Galbraith in 1901 but obviously didn't!  Well done on finding Margaret and her family.  Looks like Hugh is the youngest child - he didn't show up on AncestryIreland but that doesn't mean anything as they don't have all the births online.  There may have been more children after Hugh who didn't survive.   As for Margaret being 45 - that would have made her 9 when she married!!!  They sure knew how to make themselves younger as they got older in those days!

[murney]

Hi Theresa

Hopefully I will find more siblings for Mary Jane in Dungannon - but it is possible that they were born in places scattered throughout the North on their journey from Dungannon to Rostrevor.  If Margaret was born in Newry, it is possible that James was working for the Carvills in Newry and then moved to Newtown to work for them in Forestbrook(where the Carvills owned a spade mill, alabaster and cement works).  Forestbrook is part of Newtown townland.

With regard to Sarah Morrison being named as Ellen in the Newry parish records, that kind of clerical error was very common in those days - the priests sometimes mixed up the names of the godparents with the parents, especially the mother and godmother and sometimes they just got the name down wrong.  I have seen a lot of this in the Newry, Clonallon and Kilbroney records.

Now that Aghadowey has found Margaret and her younger children in 1901, I believe this might be her son John in 1911 (will see if I can confirm this with a marriage record) :

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Downpatrick/Inish_Street/237324/

and this is probably Hugh :

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Downpatrick/John_Street/237391/

regards

Deirdre

[murney]

Hi Theresa

I found a marriage for a John Galbraith and Mary Stranney in Downpatrick (RC) church on 17 Oct 1907 (father Patrick) and a marriage for a Hugh Galbraith in Downpatrick (RC) church on 7 March 1916 (father Patrick), so these looks like the marriages of Patrick and Margaret's sons. 

I found 2 more children (online) for John and Mary Stranney Galbraith, born in Co. Antrim : Patrick James and Jane.

The only death I could find online for a Margaret Galbraith is this one :

Name: Margaret Galbraith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Death Age: 46
Registration district: Downpatrick
Volume: 1
Page: 411

I know the age is 10 years off but, given the age she gave herself in 1901, it could well be her!

Regards

Deirdre

[TheresaM]

Deirdre, have just found Catherine's baptism in Kilbroney in 1854. The father is James and the mother this time is Jane Morrison!. The same priest ( Rev B Mooney) baptised Rose Anne, Sarah & Elizabeth, but the denomination is given as Church of Ireland. Maybe the Rev had too much alter wine.!
 
Thank goodness the 1901 - 1911 weren't destroyed and thank you Aghadowey for finding Margaret' McDermott's hiding place!
Last month when I first wrote into Roots Chat, there wasn't a McDermott relative  to be found. Now there villIages full of them!!
Think I will be longer than an hour at the GRO Research Centre in Dublin!

Regards
Theresa

[murney]

Hi Theresa

I assume you found Catherine's baptism on AncestryIreland (UHF), if that is the case, then putting Church of Ireland down as their religion is a typo on the transcriber's part.  I have often put down the tippling of alter wine as the reason for some of the priests' many errors, but I think Fr. Mooney can be excused this one

Regards

Deirdre

[murney]

Hi Theresa

Had a look at the Dungannon RC parish records and found the following baptisms :

13 Nov 1836   Patrick, son of James McDermott and Sarah Morrison. Sponsors : Patrick Morrison and Catherine McKeever(?)

27 Feb 1838  James, son of James McDermot and Sarah Hillen (sic).  Sponsor : Allice Hillen

21 April 1839, John, son of John (sic) McDermot and Sara Morison.  Sponsors : Hugh and Anne Britain(?)

26 May 1842, Jno (John), son of James McDermot and Sara Morison.  Sponsors : Michl and Mary/Margt(?) Millar

The records are in poor condition and hard to read, hence the (?) so I might go back and have another look at them in a few weeks' time.  I could not see any sign of Mary Jane.  She could have been baptised in Dungannon, but the priest didn't record the baptism - happened a lot unfortunately.

As you can see from the records above, the priest wasn't too particular about getting the names right!!!

I also found this baptism :

10 Jun 1840  Saran Anne Conlan, daughter of Charles Conlan and Anne Hillen.  Sponsor : Sara McDermot

The Sara McDermot could be Sara Morrison McDermott as there weren't too many McDermotts mentioned in these records. 

There were children recorded for a Patrick Morrison (sponsor to Patrick McDermott) and he is probably Sarah's brother.  I didn't take a note of them, as I was running out of time, but if you would like me to, I can do that in the near future.

Kind regards

Deirdre

[TheresaM]

Hello Deirdre,

If only the priests had realised how important it was getting the details right. It would certainly save the family history buffs the headaches!
I'm not too sure what ( sic) means in  21 April 1839, John, son of John (sic) McDermot and Sara Morison.  Sponsors : Hugh and Anne Britain(?)
but am assuming that Sarah Morrison would not have been married to both James & John. Are you thinking that the first John died ?

Maybe you are right about Mary Jane's baptism not being recorded. or Maybe she really was born in County Down.The same area in Newry, Newry & Mourne where Margaret was born. I haven't given up on that.

Thank you for your perseverance with this. You have has saved us so much time!

Happy Easter :-)
Theresa

[murney]

Hi Theresa

Sic is Latin for ‘So’ or ‘Thus’. It is used to denote an error or mistake found in an original text and I used it against John's name as I feel that, once again, the priest made an error in the record - John's name should have been James.  I find a lot of these mistakes in the parish records, it may be that the priest made the entry some time after the event, didn't know the people well and got the names mixed up.  There were very few McDermotts found in the Dungannon records and no other couples with the surnames McDermott and Morrison, so even though the christian name John and the surname Hillen was used instead of the correct ones, I believe that all the baptisms I listed in my posting are for the children of James McDermott and Sarah Morrison.

As most couples in those days had a child every 2 to 3 years, there is a good chance that they had at least 2 children between the 2nd John and Margaret born in Newry, Mary Jane being one of them.  I will have a look at the Newry records in the week after Easter to see if Ancestry Ireland missed Mary Jane's baptism.

Hope you have a good Easter.

Regards

Deirdre

[TheresaM]

Thanks Deirdre,
I hope you're not travelling too far to do all this research.
I thought that Patrick & John would be ours, but wasn't sure about James. Hard to believe that Morrison could be made into Hillman... sic all right!
In finding these baptisms you've also found some of  Sarah's family, which is a bonus!.

Now, how good would it be if Mary Jane showed up on the records in Newry!

Cheers
Theresa.