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Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« on: Monday 11 February 13 02:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello Everyone,

I'm looking for my great great grandmother Sarah's maiden name!
Her daugher Mary Jane McDermott married Charles King in Rostrevor, County Down in May 1870.
The Marriage certificate lists Mary Jane as living in Newtown ( & Charles in Rostrevor) Her parents are listed as James McDermott and Sarah  ???
Mary Jane's death certificate ( Australia) has her age as 83  in 1929. Immigration records  in 1870 on the Flying Cloud, give her as 20. This would mean her birth was between 1846 - 1850.
Any help in finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name or Mary Jane's birth certificate would be very much appreciated. 
Thank you
TheresaM

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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 February 13 11:32 GMT (UK) »
The only marriage I can find for James McDermott and Sarah?  in roughly the right time frame is

James
 McDERMOT . Knockbreda regd. Castlereagh; son of Patrick McDermot ; aged 21 married Sarah Loughlim 11 Oct 1852 

I have the full marriage transcription if you think this MIGHT be them.
This marriage was in Belfast (Ballymacarret)
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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 February 13 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Hello Rosemary,
I don't think that's them.
My g grandmother Mary Jane was married in the Catholic chuch at Rostrevor, so I assume that Sarah & James would have been Catholic.This Sarah & James were Church of Ireland.
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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 February 13 00:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello again Rosemary,
Can I now accept your kind offer of a copy of the fulll transcript of the Marriage of James McDermott and Sarah Loughlin in Belfast in 1852?
I have been told not to rule out the possibility that this could be them.
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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 February 13 10:00 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 February 13 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Therese M
The records for Rostrevor R.C.(Kilbrony Church are held in PRONI,  ref no. MIC/1D/24-25;  P.5499

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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 February 13 01:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that info Rosemary.
PRONI is certainly one place we'll be going.
TheresaM

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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 February 13 12:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Theresa,

At the time of the Griffiths Valuation for Co. Down (1863), there is no James McDermott living in Newtown townland in the parish of Kilbroney (Rostrevor).  There is a John McDermott living in townland of Levallyclanone which is close but not that close to Newtown.  Also, AncestryIreland has most of Kilbroney's baptismal records up on their (pay per view) website and there is no baptism there for Mary Jane (Kilbroney's baptismal records start in 1808 although the early records are patchy).  However, there is a James McDermott living in the neighbouring parish of Kilkeel, located in the townland of Grange farming just over 8 acres of land (there is also a Clement and Patrick McDermott living close to James, so they may be brothers).  There is also mention of a Clem and Brien McDermed living in Grange in 1803 who may be ancestors of the ones living in Grange in 1863.  There are still McDermotts living in Grange in the 1901 and 1911 censes.

Mary Jane may have been working in Newtown as a domestic servant or living with relatives at the time of her marriage - marriage certs just give the place where they were living just before they married and not necessarily where they were born.

You would probably have a better chance of finding her baptismal record in the Kilkeel records which start in 1839 but are not legible until 1845.  They are also microfilmed and can be accessed in PRONI in Belfast and the National Library in Dublin.  if you cannot get to these places, you can order them from your nearest Mormon genealogical centre.  After 1845, the Kilkeel records are transcribed and very easy to read but before that they are impossible!  Kilkeel civil parish is divided into 2 religious parishes - Kilkeel and Mourne.  As far as I know, Grange falls under Kilkeel religious parish but you could try Mourne if you have no success with the Kilkeel records.  Sarah may have been born in 1844 so you might miss her baptismal record but she could have had siblings born after 1845 so you will probably find her parents there.  McDermott was not a very common name for that area.

You won't be able to get a birth cert as civil registration only started in 1864 for births.  I am surprised that you got her mother's name on the marriage cert as civil marriage certs only gives names of fathers and not mothers.  Also, the Kilbroney marriage records (for that period anyway), only gave the names of the bride and groom and their witnesses.   Did you get Sarah's name from the civil marriage record or from some other record?

Good luck with your research

Kind regards

Deirdre


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Re: Help with finding Sarah McDermott's maiden name
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 March 13 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Deirdre,
Thank you for taking the time to do some research on the McDermotts.
Rosemary Joan, another Roots chatter, has found Sarah ( Morrison) Mc Dermott's maiden name for me. Thank you Rosemary! She also found three of Mary Jane's siblings in Kilbroney Parish records, but no Mary Jane.
Her death certificate ( Australia) gives her birth place as Dungallon. Ireland. It gives her mother's name also her father's occupation ( Shovel Finisher).
Would I get much information at the catholic church in Kilkeel or would I be better to see the PRONI records ? I will be visiting County Down in May, so I'm trying to find out as much information about the McDermotts as I can..
Thank you,
Theresa