George BELLAMY MD/Admiral Sir George Somers - Long shot!

[JaneyCanuck]

I'm just a very nosy person. There are many of us here. (but I may be one of the more curious)

There's a learnèd journal article:

"Sir George Somers and his Family" by F. J. Pope
Bermuda Historical Quarterly 4, No. 2 (1947): 57-61

http://books.google.ca/books?id=lpv6uT4k47kC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=%22Sir+George+Somers+and+his+Family%22&source=bl&ots=u3ARs9iRTg&sig=uqwoCkVoy3RR-NSjxF121IejewY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YsAWUb2GIOzh0wGhq4CoBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Sir%20George%20Somers%20and%20his%20Family%22&f=false

Index to the journal: http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/desltd/bmhq1.html

Snippet only: http://books.google.ca/books?id=vVIYAAAAYAAJ&q=somers#search_anchor

"Whether this John Somers was Sir George's father or not, there is at least something to be told about the mother. The will of Alice Somer, of Lyme Regis, widow, dated 1590, and proved in the Court of the Dean of Sarum in 1591, mentions as her sons or grandsons many of the persons described by Sir George in his own will as his brothers or nephews. It is plain that Alice was not in good circumstances. ..."

This digital library: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005615366
says Vol 4 is not available online due to copyright restrictions:
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015070279693
but click "find in a library" and enter United Kingdom for location, and there are five libraries that have it. Interlibrary loan? This link may work directly:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/bermuda-historical-quarterly/oclc/02386396

[JaneyCanuck]

Just to sum up what we do know, your Bellamy line is:

George born 1773
George (1749-1804) and Mary Burrow (1749-1783)
George (1713-1798) married to Mary Winnefred Forster (1712-1789)
Josias Bellamy (dates unkown) married to Gathred Mitchell (dates uknown)

Per the 1861 census,

Elizabeth Winifred Bellamy 1846-1929
(E Winifred Bellamy who, or whose estate, sold the George Somers portrait) was the daughter of
Peter Franklin Bellamy, baptised Plymouth 1804, and Mary A
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KC9J-MH8

So Peter must have been a son of George 1773 (and Peter is or isn't your own ancestor, you don't have to tell us - if he isn't, he had a brother who was, presumably).

I see at FS there were quite a few Somers/Summers Bellamys ... including some who wandered off to Brazil.

I had missed your reference to Cornwall re Josias - what is that connection? Cornwall is way easier to research than Devon, although before 1700 things may get spotty. The earliest Bellamy baptism showing at the OPC site is 1707:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/
It does show 3 Bellamey baptisms (use just BELLAM to search the databases) in the early 1600s, and a couple of Bellamey/Bellamee marriages and Bellamy/Bellamye burials around the same time.

[natp_70]

Peter Franklyn was indeed the son of George (bornn 1773), so he's kind of my great x ? uncle.

As for the Cornwall connection ... well it would appear that Josias BALLAMY was born in Landrake, which is just over the Tamar River from Plymouth in Cornwall ... though I've yet to prove that's the right Josias.  I guess we're looking at a birth date of between 1670 and 1690 or thereabouts, given his son George appears to have been born in 1713.

And an update! I have found the marriage of Josias and Garthread (Garshead) Mitchell on a local OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for Charles The Martyr in Plymouth - may have to drop them an email and hope they're feeling friendly!

And there was me always thinking I came from London and Kent stock! LOL

Curiouser and curiouser said Alice!

[JaneyCanuck]

Heh, I was exactly the same. My mum's father was born in East Ham c1900 (family came to Canada when he was a young child) -- he always talked about being born within the sound of Bow Bells -- and we knew his mother's father was a copper in Romford in the early-mid 1800s. So we had always thought we were genuine East Enders. It took me a long time to figure out who his father was (including the fact that his surname was totally fake), but it turns out my mother's paternal line is actually Cornwall and Devon through and through. Same thing, straddling the Tamar and back and forth. The Bonds of Earth -- St Stephens by Saltash by the 1700s for mine -- and their alleged wingèd Pegasus and Drake exploits and all being one line of them. Things like a woman who was born in Lamorran and married in St Columb Minor, Cornwall, then had a child in Tamerton Foliot, Devon, who had children in Devonport and then settled back in Linkinhorne, and his (Bond) wife and kids then wandered back to Plymouth ... before they all headed for London.

Josias Ballamy son of Daniell, 1680 Landrake
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1425938

There are 10 Balamy/Ballamy baptisms in Landrake 1657-1680, all the others being children of Paul/Paull. No birth or marriage or other children for Daniell.

- edit -- but his father seems to have been a Danll. as well: buried 1677 Landrake with St. Erney
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1224267

Hopefully, your Josias's marriage record will give some info like home parish/place of abode that will help.

[natp_70]

LOL ... it's great isn't it! 

Turns out on my grandmother's side I stem from a long line of Irish who married across the border (North and South) and then had to leg it out of Ireland to Scotland and Manchester and on my Grandfather's, well ... it would appear a combination of Cornish and Devonian mariners/doctors, Scottish episcopal ministers (descended from a carpenter!) whose descendants ended up in London, causing a stink by marrying someone of another faith and heading south of the river and a south American/Portguese viscount who seems to have bailed out the King of Portugal!

And that's just my mother's family.  I'm steering well clear of my father's family for the time being as they are all French ... which might complicate the research a little! Think I stick with one country at a time! LOL

And I also know I have family scattered over the US and Canada and Australia (a lot of whom are still living).

Thanks for much for your help ... I so appreciate it and if anything else comes to light, I would love to hear!

[JoF200666]

Not sure if I can help but my Grandad was a Bellamy and we have the oil painting of Dr George Somers and his uniform (well my brother has his full uniform) I have one of his hats. I also have one of his hand written books of surgical notes. I am sorry to say I do not know the connection between Somers and Bellamy, but my Grandad spent his life researching his family history and my brother has a copy of the family tree going back to Dr George. My Grandad also wrote a book about his family, but it didn't get published, I think my brother still has the hand written manuscript, I think there is even mention of the pirate Sam Bellamy. I will get my brother to give me more details and update you.

[natp_70]

Ok this first post is for Janey - as promised the connection between Admiral Sir George Somers and the Bellamys of Plymouth:

John Somers of Lime Regis married Alice
Issue 1: George Somers 1554-1610 married Joane Haywood (no issue?)
Issue 2: John Somers 1559-1625 married Jane

John and Jane
Issue: John Somers baptised 1579 married Winifred

John and Winifred
Issue: Jane Somers married William Lymbry

Jane and William
Issue: Joane Lymbry married Solomon Andrew 1640-1701

Joane and Solomon
Issue: Mary Andrew married Thomas Hayes of Plymouth

Mary and Thomas
Issue: Rose Hayes 1710-1752 married John Cremer (Rambling Jack) 1700-1774

Rose and John
Issue: Peter Franklin Cremer 1733-1808 married Mary Bellamy 1741-1802

And Mary Bellamy is the sister of George Bellamy (father of George MD) 1740-1804!!!

And there you have it! Now, there is one caveat ... this is taken from a tree which I think I have now found to have a couple of flaws and I haven't validated the information but hope it helps 

[natp_70]

Hi JoF

Thank you for replying to my post ... I would indeed love to hear any details that you have on the Bellamys of Plymouth!!  I've successfully got back as far as Dr George's great grandfather but any more information on the family would be wonderful!  I am descended from the Doctor's youngest son, John Cremer Bellamy. 

Best wishes

[JoF200666]

Hi, so we are definitely related my family also have a large portrait of John Cremer (1700 - 1774) known as Ramblin' Jack and his handwritten diary of his time at sea, which has also been published. I have the paintings of John Cremer Bellamy and his wife Theodora Mariana de Castro, daughter of Dr Miguel de Castro.