Georgina BARCLAY

[MonicaL]

Georgina and John's first born daughter Jane was born in 1855. Have you looked at the image of this birth online on Scotlands People? For this, the first year of official registration in Scotland, the entries on the registers included extra information which was withdrawn by 1856. Might be worth seeing to check what it may show for mother and fathers (place of birth, age etc.).

The name Jean and Jane are interchangeable in Scotland, see www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Jane.html  This name for Georgina's daughter would fit well if named after her mother (for examples of Scottish naming pattern see www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm )

Great that there is so much on likely sister Elizabeth who went on to marry John Mitchell (including a photo here www.robertnrussell.com/web2/mitchellf/pafg04.htm).

You may not find a birth or christening entry for Elizabeth and Georgina unfortunately. Many records have been destroyed or lost over the years. The ones that show, including mentions for Janet and David, all seem to stop around the mid 1820s. It is for this reason that having the details of Elizabeth Barclay helps to link up to Andrew Barclay and Jane Ritchie as parents for the two younger girls on that 1841 census, likely with elder brother David and Janet.

Pity we cannot find Georgina as yet on the 1851 census. That entry might help further. I think the entry that Ev has mentioned for Elizabeth with uncle and family also helps to firm things up more.

Monica

[pufflet]

My apologies for not replying sooner, Monica & Ev but I am a volunteer guide for the local Art Deco Trust & it's been our annual Art Deco Weekend event so very busy.  Your replies have been very helpful. I have accessed Andrew BARCLAY's will on Scotlands People. Unfortunately he died intestate so  it is just an inventory of his estate, plus agreement that his son, David is executor. No other family names are mentioned except that David had a brother & sisters. Frustratingly I haven't managed to find Andrew's Death record on Scotlands People... d. 24 Feb 1837. 

[pufflet]

Forgot to add... yes I have the Scotlands People Birth record for Jane SMITH (Georgina BARCLAY & John SMITH's oldest child, b. 2 July 1855, Balmeadie Farmhouse, Fife. Georgina's place of birth is difficult to read but I think it is Balgonie, Parish of Abernethy.

[Great Dame]

Georgina was my great grandmother. Her youngest son William Smith,born Spreydon, Christchurch,NZ,1875,was my grandfather.I never knew him.Andrew,John and Georgina Smith's eldest son, died 1942 in Christchurch, NZ. Aged 84.

[Great Dame]

Thank you for your reply.How do I reply to your message? I tried but it said I wasn't able to send a private message.

[ev]

GD you need to have 3 posts before you can private message.
Just reply to this post and that should get you started.

ev

[hollycochran]

Pufflet - I am not related to this family, but I run a Wanless surname study, and at our site (www.wanlessweb.org), we have the will of David Wanliss who made his will in 1830 and died in 1832 at Abernethy. His wife was Janet Moon, who pre-deceased him. In this will, he names "Andrew Barclay tenant of Balgonie" and "David Barclay, James Wanliss Barclay, and Catherine Barclay my grandchildren, being the children of the marriage of the said Andrew Barclay and my deceased daughter Elizabeth Wanliss", and later in the will, he adds the child Janet to the same list. FamilySearch or the OPR shows birth/baptism records for these 4 children at Abernethy (David 1819, Janet 1821, James Wanless Barclay 1823, Catherine Nicol Barclay 1825). Their mother Elizabeth Wanless must have died between Catherine's birth in Nov 1825 and the writing of David's will in Sep 1830. It looks to me like Andrew remarried (to Jean Ritchie? Is there a marriage record?) between 1825 and 1831 and they had Elizabeth and Georgina. Andrew, and presumably Jean, were dead by the 1841 census, and the older siblings David & Janet appear with their younger siblings Elizabeth & Georgina at the family farm at Balgonie. At least, that's how it looks to me.

I like the theory that Andrew Barclay was a son of David Barclay & Catherine Nicol. Andrew's wife Elizabeth was born in 1784; if Andrew was born to David & Catherine in 1788, he would have been just a few yrs younger than Elizabeth.

Question: Have you seen the marriage of Georgina Barclay & John Smith? Does it not name her parents?

regards,
Holly

[Great Dame]

My grandfather William Smith , b 1875, was the youngest child of Georgina Barclay ( Smith ), her first child being born in 1855.
My father, b 1917 was given Wanless as a middle name. I came across the Wanless Web some time ago whilst trying to find some clue as to the origin of my father's middle name. I had seen Georgina aged 9 and had wondered if she was my Georgina but couldn't be sure. My father said John and Georgina had seven children. He named them as Jeanie, Annie, Andrew, Christina, Georgina, John and William. Just recently I found Andrew's death notice and last week found a record of Annie's birth in 1866.
This is interesting.

[pufflet]

It's really useful to get your info 'hollycochran' re the BARCLAY family. I do have the record from Scotlands People, of the marriage of John SMITH & Georgina BARCLAY but no parents are named as it is a parish record.
I think your suggestion that Andrew BARCLAY was married twice sounds very likely. I haven't managed to find his marriage to Elisabeth WANLESS/WANLISS on Scotlands People. I have found a marriage to Jean RITCHIE, 1830 on Family Search IGI, Community Contributed Index, Perth, Perthshire, with child, Elisabeth BARCLAY. But Georgina is still illusive!
I also haven't found Andrew's first wife, Elisabeth's death record.