TARTAKOVAR family history

[sparrett]

Elizabeth SUTHERLAND, 16, daughter, Milliner, born Edinburgh


JM

Elizabeth I think would be this child who appears in the snip of information from the Biographical Index of South Australians.

SUTHERLAND, James, born 1831, Sct. Arrived 1877 Oaklands. Occ Compositor. Residence Adelaide, Gilberton. Religion Congregational. Married Martha b. c 1842 Sct. Chn. Eliz Constable ROBERTSON (c1855) Jas (c1858) Isaac(c1864)Jessie (c1871) Martha(c1872) David(c1876)


She of course became ROBERTSON upon her marriage in 1883

"ROBERTSON- SUTHERLAND, On the 10th April at Kilchatton Villa Gilberton, by Rev Osric Copland , Bolton Wm ROBERTSON to Elizabeth Constable SUTHERLAND , both of Adelaide.
Tues. 17th April 1883"

[majm]

Interesting find Sue, 

It has Elizabeth as ROBERTSON and you have found her likely marriage in 1883, in the 'right' locality .. but that BISA entry makes no mention of William Alexander, her brother born in that same locality in 1882.  I wonder who provided the info?

JM

[sparrett]

Firstly William Alexander Sutherland was born 12 Jan  1882 to a James' Sutherland and Martha Tulloch in Gilberton S.A.
James and Martha arrived in S.A. on board the Barque The Oakland's in 1877. This can be verified online.
I am also in possession of a journal written by Isaac's oldest brother William on their voyage to Australia from Glasgow. Isaac is mentioned in said journal along with elizabeth, James', Jessie (first marriage, Mary Buchan), Martha and David, (second marriage Martha Tulloch) As well as William Alexander Margaret Annie and John Donald were born in S.A.

Just to clarify

If there was a prior marriage for James SUTHERLAND, and Jessie was born in 1871 according to the likely census JM has offered, as well as the BISA information Then I think she was likely The child of Martha.
Sue

[M S Harmer]

Jessie b. 15 March 1859 Glasgow, to James Sutherland and Mary Buchan.
Married a Atetas James Anderson Holmes 9 August 1900, Gilberton.
Martha b. 22 February 1872 Glasgow to James Sutherland and Martha Tulloch.

[majm]

Jessie b. 15 March 1859 Glasgow, to James Sutherland and Mary Buchan.
Married a Atetas James Anderson Holmes 9 August 1900, Gilberton.
Martha b. 22 February 1872 Glasgow to James Sutherland and Martha Tulloch.

What document gives you that info  about Jessie ....  particularly her birth date and her mum's details ....

JM

[M S Harmer]

From SP site, Mary Sutherland/Buchan died 1864 aged 42, 644/2271, High Church.
Same site, Jessie Sutherland b. 15 March 1859, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland.
Father James Sutherland
Mother Mary Buchan
Isaac b. 7 June 1863 High Church
Father James Sutherland
Mother Mary Buchan
Elizabeth Constable Sutherland
b.21 January 1855 Edinburgh
Father James Sutherland
Mother Mary Buchan
James Sutherland b. 8 March 1857
Glasgow, Lanark.
Father James Sutherland
Mother Mary Buchan
Elizabeth, James, Jessie, Isaac as well as Martha's two Martha and David are mentioned in the Journal of their voyage.
Martha had William A., Margaret A., And John D. In Adelaide.

[majm]

Martin,  two questions ....

    have you downloaded all those records from Scotlands People?  If so,  which one of those  has 'compositor' for the occupation of James.

  have you the death cert for Isaac SUTHERLAND  ... if so from it,  how many years had he been in the colonies,  what does it record for his origins and for his parents ...


JM

[M S Harmer]

From SP, doesn't actually say compositor but proof reader.
Handwriting on death cert. not good but says 40 years in Vic. 5 years NSW, 6 years S.A.

[majm]

So,  which document has Proof Reader on it for James ....

And

If you take a snip of any document and upload as attachment to this thread  I am absolutely sure that there are experienced RChatters willing to help decipher the 19th century handwriting.

Do you have the snipping tool as part of your accessories on your computer?

JM