TARTAKOVAR family history

[majm]

And to add to the confusion .... I cannot find any mention of Bertha's mother being French in this post, but I am certain that pwh is referring to this post when he says 'first entry' .   

I think there may be a possibility of  some generations being merged or overlooked or missed in the  posted details. 


JM

I am hoping that some  fellow rootschatters are researching the Tartakovar family.  My connection
is the marriage of Evina Hart (B 1843 London D 1922 Melbourne) and  Mitchell Tartakovar ( B 1844
London D 1929 Sydney). Her parents were Henry Hyam Hart (B 1807 London D 1880  Melbourne),
and Ann Mordecai (B 1811 London D 1894 Melbourne. His parents were  Marcus  Tartakovar  and
Clarisse Fleurtte Hautville. They were married  on 1/7/1863 at the Mictra Yiscael Synagogue  in
Melbourne.  They emigrated to Australia on the TRY , sailing from Bristol in October 1852,
arriving in Melbourne on 12/1/1853. On board  were  Mitchell, his parents  and siblings,  Alfred,
Samson and Sarah. Marcus had a store in Bristol St  Ballarat and  Mitchell and Alfred  had  a
store in Hay from 1869. Alfred was elected to the first municipal council in Hay in 1872.  They
had  ten  children
Victor  1864-1940.  Alexandra 1865-1939.  Bertha  1867-1924.  Adrienne 1869-1961.
Elanor  1871-1959. Isabella 1873-1956. Lillian 1875-1954.  Henry 1876-1878. 
Unnamed  1878-1878.  Alfred  1881.
If this is of interest to anyone i would like to hear from them
                                                                                           PWH

[majm]

Hi Everyone following this thread

    

  There are quite a number of threads at RChat that involve pwh’s HART family, including Hyam Henry HART, brother of Elvina TARTAKOVER.   I may have listed most of them at the following  post back in 2014 … https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692237.msg5361162#msg5361162

  Here is a blog post that Mr Google found for me this morning
https://www.geni.com/people/Elvina-Tartakover/6000000007251925246

  Here's a list of some  Sutherland threads re Martin's family, and that may be helpful too. Likely there would be others too, as that's from 2113 ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=668985.msg5142331#msg5142331

JM

[pwh]

M S Harmer
                      I must apologise for my seniors  moment .  The people i mentioned  are in fact
Berthas  siblings.

                                               
                                pwh

[pwh]

majm
            This i confusion came about  because  i did not  proof read my  post properly. Your
comments  were  quite correct  and a timely  reminder that Rootschat is a public  forum.
                                                                                                                pwh

[pwh]

MSHarmer

                 By looking  at   one of your old  posts  courtesy of majm  i see there  is a reference
to a  John and Janet  Sutherland  in 1791  in or around Caithness.  The Sutherland  in  my
fathers  line  would i think be around  that time in Caithness. I  do not know if  there is  a
Caithness link  between our families but having the same family  name in such a small  place
should give some credence to the idea. You might also interested  in the fact  another  Sutherland,
Dame Joan Sutherland  has a family link to the same place.
                                                                                          Pwh

[pwh]

M S Harmer

            Some online research  came up with this information  on the Tartakover  name and
where it would have come from.  The name is a  topyonymic  name relating to  a town,
city or  region.  Two places  are mentioned, Tartak in Poland and Tartakow  in  Galicia.
The German and  Yiddish  suffixes  "over" and "ower"  mean of or from.  The city of  Brody
in what was  in Easter Galicia and part of the Austro-Hungerian  Empire is named. It is now part of the Ukraine.
                                pwh

[M S Harmer]

pwh
The copies of the marriage records and death records I have do confirm the link.

[majm]

pwh
The copies of the marriage records and death records I have do confirm the link.

Which documents ... who, when, where, what, and of course how and why ... to join up those dots....

JM   

[M S Harmer]

Marriage registration of Isaac Sutherland and Bertha Esther Tartakover, 1 June 1901, Christ Church, South Yarra. Isaac's parents James Sutherland and Mary Sutherland (Buchan).
Bertha's father Mitchell Tartakover.
Isaac's death cert. 20 January 1930, age 69, father Sutherland mother Buchan.wife Bertha Tartakover. No issue.
Bertha's death cert. 4 August 1924, age 54, husband Isaac Sutherland. No issue.
Items I left out were residents, cause of death witnesses were burried ECT