TARTAKOVAR family history

[M S Harmer]

All known info.
Gladys was my grandmother which is where a lot of my info has come from.
Thanks again.

[sparrett]

All known info.
Gladys was my grandmother which is where a lot of my info has come from.
Thanks again.

Yes, that too is known info.
 
Trouble is, Martin, there seems to be so much you have incorrectly  or points of confusion, that one works onward in an effort  to get  a clear a well-defined family picture.

Very hard to know what to offer in the way of help and what you have and do not have because some of what you do have is unproven or outright mistaken.

Sue 

[majm]

Yes,  good to know your Gran's birthday book has been found and has her husband's sister in it. 

And,  Sue is spot on,  very difficult for anyone to help you as so much turns out  to be unproven or worse,    it contradicts other info already provided.   

And as Sue also wrote.... I too add "You are welcome"  ... thank you for your thanks.

I do caution though,  please do be careful with the details being posted .... dont rely on indexes,  aim for the document they point to.  And when a question is asked,  if you dont  know the answer, or if the question does not make sense,  just say so.    And perhaps most importantly,   remember it is a hobby about our dead ancestors ...     they don't judge us,  but the living can....

JM

[Westoe]

Hello pwh and Martin,

majm gave you the link to the OAKLANDS passenger list a few days ago. Did you both look carefully at it? If not, you should. Human interest bits put flesh on old bones and make familiy histories more than just boring lists of names and dates.

Elizabeth Constable Sutherland met her husband-to-be, Bolton William Robertson, on that voyage.

He's there, in the "cock pit" with the other single adult males including two of Elizabeth's brothers. No matter how the bunks or hammocks were assigned they would have lived closely adjacent to each other for the duration of the voyage, there not being much of an alphabetical gap between their surnames, nor much of a numerical one between their ticket numbers.

Elizabeth was in the "hen cabin" along with the other adult single women, while the parents and younger siblings were in the family quarters. (The shipping companies were very keen on observing "the proprieties": indeed one of the questions to be signed off at the port of disembarkation was of the nature of "Was the segregation properly enforced?")

The people on the OAKLANDS constituted a small village where everyone got to know everyone. That voyage took 98 days - ample time for mutual attraction to bloom between Bolton and Elizabeth - ample time for her parents to observe him and form an opinion. True, he still had to find a job in Australia and accumulate some savings before they could even think of marrying, but the seeds of that 50+-year marriage were sown on the OAKLANDS.

Do either of you have any photos of Elizabeth that you would share? Any diaries or letters in which she refers to visits with her inlaws? Bolton's elder brother had emigrated to Australia a few years earlier and was already married there. Her inlaws are the subject of my interest.

Cheers,
Westoe

[M S Harmer]

Hi Westie
Thanks, I have that info on Bolton.
According to the journal i have written by James Sutherland JNR during their voyage they all seem to be together below decks, almost as if in a cabin, he talks about going below to retire after a walk on deck only to see most of his family sea sick including Elizabeth, even mentions his mother with half her clothes off but unable to proceed any further due to sea sickness.
Saddly we don't have any photos, if there was any they may have been in the family bible but according to my aunt a lot of photos have gone missing over the years. Next time I see her I'll ask again.
Regards
Martin