TARTAKOVAR family history

[majm]

His occupation was compositor. Married in Glasgow 29 March 1866
His father was a shoe maker. Mother's maiden name was Sinclair.
Just a little info I recently received from my cousin in Wagga who has had her Sutherland DNA researched our Sutherland and Sinclair lines seems to hail from the Caithness region.

Please be careful when posting,  compositor  and proof reader are both occupations in the printing / publishing industry, 

JM

[M S Harmer]

An occupation he continued here.
After enlarging Isaac's death cert the years in each state I quoted were correct. 40 Vic. 5 NSW and 6 S.A.

[majm]

An occupation he continued here.
After enlarging Isaac's death cert the years in each state I quoted were correct. 40 Vic. 5 NSW and 6 S.A.

Right  so I gather James Sutherland changed from Proofreading to become a compositor operating a machine ....

and

what info about Isaac and his parents on that d.c.

And well there are actually a number of questions posed that you have not yet answered ... all part of joining the dots to help link your William Alexander SUTHERLAND to a possible ancestor that may be on Peter's tree.... 

JM

[majm]

Here is a very informative obituary to James SUTHERLAND
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204472645  26 February 1892 Evening Journal.

twice married, 
five sons, four daughters (one married).



JM

[majm]

I have finally found Elizabeth SUTHERLAND aged 22, a Dressmaker, SCOTCH on that 1877 passenger list that I posted a live link to.   


Here it is again

https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/passenger-lists-view/1877/
and the pdf of the image of the passengers disembarked …
https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/documentstore/passengerlists/1877/GRG35_48_1_77-22_Oaklands.pdf

I cannot find anywhere in this or other threads where Martin has mentioned that digitised resource - passenger list - as the primary source document for his migrant SUTHERLAND family.  I have not searched for Isaac SUTHERLAND's intercolonial movements, as I anticipate that Martin has previously fully researched that prior to finding that connection to Bertha TARTAKOVER. 

JM

[M S Harmer]

Already have these articles, thanks.
One thing I did over look was the names and occupations of Isaac's and Bertha's father's on their marriage cert
James Sutherland, Reader
Mitchell Tartakover, Gentleman.
It also names Mary Buchan as Isaac's mother

[majm]

Already have these articles, thanks.
One thing I did over look was the names and occupations of Isaac's and Bertha's father's on their marriage cert
James Sutherland, Reader
Mitchell Tartakover, Gentleman.
It also names Mary Buchan as Isaac's mother

And so looking back at reply # 26 and at Martin's latest post.....
...

On that m.c. from 1901,  only that document..... exactly what does that document record about Isaac .... his names /age/ place of birth/ any  previous marriages etc/ occupation/  usual address/ 

What exactly does that same 1901 document record for the info that Isaac provided  about his parents ..  ..    for example ... does it show Isaac's father  as deceased?  Does it show Isaac's mother as deceased?

In other words,  how does the m.c. help join those dots back to Caithness and the 1791 SUTHERLAND connection....

JM

[M S Harmer]

Isaac, 36, Glasgow, no previous marriage, bachelor, occupation artist.
Bertha, 27, St Kilda, spinster

[sparrett]

   James and Martha arrived in S.A. on board the Barque The Oakland's in 1877. This can be verified online.
I am also in possession of a journal written by Isaac's oldest brother William on their voyage to Australia from Glasgow. Isaac is mentioned in said journal along with elizabeth, James', Jessie (first marriage, Mary Buchan), Martha and David, (second marriage Martha Tulloch) As well as William Alexander Margaret Annie and John Donald were born in S.A.

Just to clarify

If there was a prior marriage for James SUTHERLAND, and Jessie was born in 1871 according to the likely census JM has offered, as well as the BISA information Then I think she was likely The child of Martha.
Sue

Jessie b. 15 March 1859 Glasgow, to James Sutherland and Mary Buchan.
Married a Atetas James Anderson Holmes 9 August 1900, Gilberton.
Martha b. 22 February 1872 Glasgow to James Sutherland and Martha Tulloch.

From SP site, Mary Sutherland/Buchan died 1864 aged 42, 644/2271, High Church.
Same site, Jessie Sutherland b. 15 March 1859, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland.
 .

So just to clarify.
 The mother you claim for Jessie was dead in 1864
Jessie was born in c1871.
The 6 year old on the ship as listed above named Jessie and listed on the census of 1871 is NOT the child of Mary BUCHAN, but of the second wife Martha.  I think you should take note of this in the interests of accuracy.

I am also curious as to the author of the journal you mention above.
If William was born in SA in 1882, then I do not know how he wrote such a journal. Was it James who wrote it?