john feeney

[lindaswe]

hi john before i get rodger death cert, i am going to put john feeney /mary rhind (ryan) marriage cert on decipher on roots chat & see if they can make surname of both mothers as i cannt find site on scotlands people wll keep you informed thanks for all your help regards lin

[MonicaL]

Lin, could this be Mary Rhind's birth details? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQS9-P4V

Father I think died, mother Elizabeth likely remarried here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY75-692

I thought this might be Mary in 1861:

James Shields 40, miner b. Ireland
Elizabeth Shields 26 b. Ireland
Mary Rhine 4 step daughter b. Whitburn
Bridget Shields 70 mother b. Ireland
Peter Clark 17 lodger
Michael Monney 20 lodger

Address: Fauldhouse Rows, Whitburn West Lothian

The marriage cert will sort things out hopefully!

Monica

[jonn]

Hello Lin, and Monica,

Yes Monica, i had those details about Mary Rhind, i was beggining to question Mary's, exact surname Rhind, or Ryan.

There is a death for a Mary Rhind Feeney, 1934. Bellshill, Lanark, age 77 years, which is almost correct age wise plus the Feeney's, ended up living in Bellshill, Lanark.

Regards,
Jonn.

[jonn]

Hello Lin, and Monica,

The mystery of the Rhind/Ryan, surname deepens.

We have this death on Scotlandspeople,
Elizabeth Brannan Shields, died 1885. age 61 years, Holytown, Lanark, then
Elizabeth Ryan Brannan, died 1885. age 61 years, Holytown, Lanark.

As you know Monica, if a married woman has been married twice then there will be two indexes for the death concerning both marriages but only one certificate.

This may prove your point about Mary's mother marrying Mr. Shields, after first husband Patrick Rhind, died.

I think also for the usual reason Elizabeth Brannon, told porkies about her age on the 1861 census.

There is also a death 1857. Livingston, West Lothian, for a Patrick Rhind, age 34 years which would fit in better with the age theory.

Regards,
Jonn.

[MonicaL]

Jonn, I think they probably went under the general variant banner of Rhind/Ryan perhaps.

Odd about the two death entries for Elizabeth Brannan - I wonder if it is the same reference which would normally indicate it is the same entry in the register.

From some online info, Elizabeth's birth is given as 1833 in Queens Co ireland greenburn - source not given unfortunately.

Ahh...they also have a copy of Elizabeth's death in 1885:

Elizabeth Brannan, wife of 1. Patrick Ryan and 2. James Shields. Her parents a Daniel (saw Dennis on other things) Brannan and Elizabeth Nash. Husband James Shields reported the death.

I think this is the extended Shiels family in 1881 (Mary married by now):

James Shields 45 miner b. Ireland
Eliza Brennan 46 miner b. Irealnd
Edward Shields 19
James Shields 16
Agnes Shields 11
Denis Shields 10
John Shields 8
Ellen Shields 6
Thomas Ryan 23 son coal miner b. Blackburn, Linlithgow...wonder he was ealier?
James Foley 20 boarder coal miner b. Kilkenny, Ireland

Address: 18 School Rows, Faulhouse, Whitburn

Monica

[MonicaL]

New variant to add to the collection of Ryan and Rhind etc. Marriage for Elizabeth Brannan to Patrick RAIN  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYW2-MMY

Monica

[jonn]

Hello Lin, and Monica,

Young Thomas Rhind, born 27/Oct/1857, Livingston, West Lothian, to parents Patrick Rhind, and Elis Brannon.

Its all fitting together quite nicely, including marriage you found, the spelling does not seem that out.

So it looks like Rhind, is a fair bet for the surname. or is it.

Regards,
Jonn.

[susie956]

Hi Its Sue again Im doing this for Lin as she does not know how to do it. I thought I would put it here as you have done a great job. If you cannot read it also I can put it on decipher. My husband thinks Mary Feeney maiden name is Carabine and he found a birth for John 19 Aug 1856 father Roger mother Mary Kerribyne so dont know if it is right. Anyway here is the image hope it works.

[jonn]

Hello Sue,

Certainly looks like Mary Carabine, the birth you found for John, 1856, again looks correct, you have to remember that its Irish, folks we are talking about its the Nineteenth Century, most ordinary people could neither read or write in Scotland, the register who is writing this down on the certificates is going by the person relaying the information verbally to them with a Irish, dialect, so there would be lots of variations in the spelling.

There is a death for a Mary Carabine Feenie, 1873. age 58 years Holytown, Lanark.

The Parents of Mary Rhind, on the certificate you posted are Patrick Rhind, which is correct going by our research, her mother is Elizabeth, which is correct, her maiden name is difficult to read but it looks to start Br***n, some of our other posters will come on and give a response, however i think its a version of Brannon.

The only thing that i would question is why this lady is mentioned as Ann, and Nancy, on to of the earlier census reports.

Regards,
Jonn.