1851 Census - William Foord, Hastings

[mnmilt]

Hi,
Please can somebody look for the following people in the 1851 census.  All should be living in Hastings
William Foord (b abt 1786)
Stephen Foord (b abt 1826)
Aaron Foord (b abt 1821)
James Foord (b abt 1816)
Moses Foord (b abt 1821)
Daniel Foord (b 1bt 1826)
Thomas Carey (b abt 1780)

Thanks

Mark

[sillgen]

1851 22 Bourne St Hastings   P1635  F229

William Hd 67 Fisherman b Hastings All Saints
Elizabeth wi 62                                   "
Elizabeth da 35 Straw Bonnet Maker b All Saints

Also at 22 Bourne St
Stephen Foord Hd 27 Fisherman b    "
Edward 3 b St Clement
Mary 5  b All Saints
Mary Ann wi 27 b Eastbourne
Roda 1 b All Saints

Andrea

[sillgen]

No Thomas Carey in 1851
Aaron Foord Hd 31 Sawyer b Battle     Red Lake  Ore f95
Ellen 4 b Ore
Helen 28 b Ore
Mary Ann 2 bOre
William Spencer Foord 4months b Ore

Foord James sen 35 Master sawyer emp 1 b Battle  Ore Down f83
James so 6 b Ore
Benjamin so 1  "
Daniel lodger 23 sawyers lab
Margaret wi 25 b Lewes
William so 4 b Ore

Folio 82 Ore Down
Moses 29 Sawyer b Battle
Elizebeth 29 b Kent Sandhurst
Emily 3
Maria 6
Moses 5 months all b Ore

Is that the lot?
Andrea

[mnmilt]

Andrea,
Many thanks for the information.  It is most helpful.  As for Thomas Carey, please can you confirm that he isn't in the 1851 census.  In a previous post you stated that he was there;

Thomas is already a widower in 1851 and on the same Folio number (with various other Careys) as Anne and Frederick.


Thanks

Mark

[sillgen]

I only looked in Hastings as that was what you asked for!      I assumed it must be a different Thomas Carey as I knew I had already done something about one for you.   Where did I find him before?   I have enough trouble with remembering the details of my own tree!
Andrea

[sillgen]

Looked at the previous posts and see he was in Icklesham.
Thomas Carey Hd widower 73 carpenter b Hooe  F657 in the same household as the Foords.
On the same folio but in a different household are
Jacob Carey Hd 68 bricklayer emp 4 b Hooe
Elizabeth wi 60 b Icklesham
Emma da 17                "
Sarah 24 Dressmaker   "

Any more??
Andrea

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi Mark

Thomas Carey, 60, is on the 1841 census for Icklesham with wife Sarah, 60.
Thomas is listed as a Carpenter, both born in Sussex. - no street address

I did not spot any Foords on the 1841 for Icklesham, although there were several other Carey families - mainly connected with the building industry.

Chris in 1066

[peterd500]

William FOORD is in the 1851 census at Ore, indexed by Ancestry.com as William HAND.

His details are William FOORD, lodger, Widr, age 67, Sawyer, born Battle.
He's lodging in the household of William and Sarah GARSDEN. Well, it looks like GARSDEN.

Two households along we find his son Daniel FOORD age 23 lodging in the household of another son James FOORD age 35 and the latter's wife Margaret. Margaret is Margaret EATHERDEN whom James married at Ore in 1844.

William died 1867.

From his death registration:

Died 30 West Street, Hastings St Clement, William FOORD, male, 83 years, Sawyer, natural decay (certified), informant Sarah Ann VOLLER, 30 West Street Hastings, present at the death, registered 8 May 1867

Sarah Ann VOLLER is his daughter Sarah Ann FOORD baptised 1823 at Battle who in 1843 at Ore married Robert VOLLER who was baptised as Robert WARNER.  I descend from Robert's brother Richard WARNER.

His wife Sarah CRAMP died 1847 at Lennox Street Barrack Ground Hastings as follows"

Sarah FOORD, age 54, wife of William FOORD a Sawyer, Paralysis 2 years, Bronchitis 1 week, certified, informant Wm FOORD, Lennox Street Barrack Ground, Hastings, present at the death, registered 21 Apr 1847.

William FORD was 77 in the 1861 census as William CRAMP in the houseold of his son-in-law Thomas CRAMP who married William's daughter Maria FOOD.

William and family must have fallen in need of poor relief in 1825:

https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_DH_B_92_1_118
Title: Settlement examination
Date:1 9 Nov 1825
Creator: Hastings Borough Council and predecessor authorities
Repository: East Sussex Record Office
ESRO reference: DH/B/92/1 pages122-123
Level: Item
Description: William Foord of Holy Trinity Hastings: born at Battle; he has gained settlement in Battle by hiring and service at Marley Farm at 13 for the year; Sep or Oct 1824 he came to Hastings and rented a house in Holy Trinity from John Austin at 6s per week for two months; before coming to Hastings he applied for and received poor relief from Battle; wife Sarah and children William (12 years), Maria (11 years), James (10 years), Frederick (8 years), Aaron (6 years), Stephen (4 years), Moses (3 years), Ann (2 years), Joseph (9 weeks).
Creator(s): Hastings Borough Council and predecessor authorities

https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_Q_1_5_48_1826-01-12
Title: Lewes Sessions: orders relating to poor relief
Date: 12 Jan 1826
Creator: Sussex Quarter Sessions, c 1350-1914; Sussex Quarter Sessions, Eastern Division, c 1550-1914; East Sussex Quarter Sessions, 1914-1970
Repository: East Sussex Record Office
ESRO reference: QO/48/1826-01-12
Level: Item
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FOORD William, wife Sarah; William 12, Maria 11, James 10, Frederick 8, Aaron 6, Stephen 4, Moses 3, Ann 2, Joseph 9mths; JPs order removing them from Holy Trinity, Hastings to Battle quashed, Holy Trinity to pay £4 maintenance from removal to present sessions.
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TOMS John, Charles HARVEY, Robert NEWMAN, William READ, William BARTLETT, Harriett READ, Jane PARSONS, Robert PARSONS, Joseph CUMMINGS, William TRUSLER, Dianah BEDWELL, Catherine DAWSON, John MORLEY, Oliver DOWTON, Margaret CAMPBELL, William COGDEN, Thomas JONES, Sarah LEWRY, John POLLARD, James MURRAY, John BROWNE, James WRIGHT, George ELLIS, Thomas MITCHELL, Edward HITCHNS, George BELT, James HILLYMAN, Antonie LEMARER, John HOPKINS, Jasper WHEELER, James ELLIS, Henry HAWKINS, Daniel JENNER, Edward MILLS, George PECKHAM, George FOSTER, John WILSON, John DRISCOTT, William FOORD, convictions as rogues and vagabonds filed.

Ann age 2 above is Sarah Ann baptised at Battle in 1823.

The above reveals a child Joseph to William and Sarah, who didn't make it into the 1841 census. Joseph was baptised at Holy Trinity in 1825, abode Holy Trinity. He was buried at Battle, abode Holy Trinity, a few months after the removal was quashed. The next child Daniel baptised 1827 at Battle was born at Ore.

I am wondering if the item about a William FOORD convicted as a rogue and a vagabond is connected to the settlement examination and the removal order that was quashed. That's what happened to the family of my ancestor Richard WARNER and his wife Eliza WRIGHT and their children in 1820 when they were arrested as vagrants at Hailsham parish and sent to the House of Correction at Lewes where they underwent a settlement examination - the JPs there determined that their legal settlement under the poor laws was in fact Hailsham so that Hailsham parish had to take them back and give them poor relief!

Peter

[peterd500]

If William gained legal settlement at Battle parish through his employment there, then it might mean that he wasn't born at Battle or his parents weren't legally settled at Battle.

From a webpage that doesn't exist anymore:

Settlement Certificates and Settlement Examinations :
The Poor Law Act of 1601 had declared that every parish was responsible for its own poor. Naturally, parishes did not want to be liable for the relief of poor from another parish also, and so the concept of 'settlement' arose. Anyone 'settled' in a parish had a right to relief from it, and others did not. But people have always travelled in search of work, whether seasonal or long-term. To prevent any hindrance to this, settlement certificates were first authorised by an Act of Parliament of 1662. A settlement certificate was a document addressed by one parish or township to another. It was issued by the churchwardens and overseers of the poor to a resident of the parish who intended to live elsewhere. Its purpose was to certify that the person named in the certificate (and if appropriate, his or her dependents) was legally settled in the parish of origin. It meant that the issuing parish would receive back the named person and dependents if it became necessary to provide them with poor relief or pay for the relief of the person in the parish in which they were living. The certificate was lodged with the overseers of the new parish who retained it as an insurance. In this way, the certificates found their way into the parish chest and from there finally into the archives. Probably only a fraction of the certificates which were once issued now survive. In law, settlement for poor law purposes in a parish or township could be acquired in a number of ways. Naturally, most people acquired a settlement from their place of birth or, for women, through marriage, which gave them their husband's settlement rights. Other ways of acquiring a right of settlement were through completing an apprenticeship, renting or buying a substantial property or serving in a public office, such as churchwarden, constable, overseer of the poor, or parish clerk. Anyone who applied for relief and was not accepted as legally 'settled' in the parish or township would have their origins investigated to discover where their true place of settlement actually was. This process was known as a 'settlement examination'. This was conducted before two magistrates, who questioned the person about their life-history. The resulting document can be of great value to family historians, as it may include details of the various places where the person had lived, what employment they had at various times and information about their family.