John J Swales

[Tickettyboo]

That tree on Ancestry has John Joseph's parents as George and Catherine.

So it looks like we are (or should be?) following the 1888 John Joseph?

Its a bit smoke and mirrors, born 'about' 1890, possibly Gateshead, Jarrow, South Shields really covers a lot of possibles. If Emmanne is sure about his marriage (maybe from family knowledge) then I think the best bet is the marriage cert or a look up request for the register.

According to the South Tyneside Registrars online search the marriage of John J SWALES and Mary E SHANLEY is in the Register R126. That does not appear in their list of Anglican church codes so it was either in a Register Office or a Registrar attended a non conformist marriage.

The marriage certificate/ register entry if one exists is the only sure fire way to establish Emmanne researches the correct John J SWALES.

Boo

[taffie01]

Hi
agree with K Garrard the 1988 John Joseph most likely.

1891 census @ 7 Leopold st. Jarrow
class RG12.  piece 4168.  Folio 51.  page39.

John Swales  32  marine engineer  b Jarrow
Mary             35 b Sunderland
Cecilia    5
John Joseph 3
Matthew Geo.  1

Boarders   George Thomas   wid.  35 b. Preston
Joseph    12       

all children   b. Jarrow

also  @ 1 Leopold St.
John Swales 67 retd. gentleman and Wife Mary 65 both born Whitby. May be related?

[emmanne]

Hi Taffie 01
I did find that family that is why Jarrow appeared in my original post

[emmanne]

Hi all,
I did write a reply to thank you all for the hard work you have been doing but it does not seem to have appeared here. So thank you
I do know for certain that mary Ethel married John J swales - from family info and I met the said Ethel - long, long time ago when I was a child.
There seem to be a lot of John J Swales that is where I got confused.

Tickettyboo what do you mean by " a look up request for the register".
I don't think the marriage would have been in an Anglican church as I think Ethel was catholic, so the Jarrow one may be correct,
Guess I need to move on to certificates .
Thanks again to all

[Tickettyboo]

Tickettyboo what do you mean by " a look up request for the register".

Hi sorry, I should have explained. The South Tyneside Registrars site gives a code for the register the entry appears in and the date of the marriage (11th May 1921). If Ethel (Mary E SHANLEY) was Catholic then the marriage was likely to be in a catholic church with a registrar present to satisfy the legal, civil requirement.
Tyne and Wear Archives hold microfilm copies of St Bede's RC Church covering marriages of that period. If you are in the area then you could pop in and look it up to see if it was there they were married (and get a copy of the entry). If you aren't in the area then if you ask for a look up someone may check for you next time they are at the archives.  I am in Scotland or I would offer :-)
Its way cheaper (50p a copy if you go yourself) than a marriage cert from the GRO at £9.25 a pop.

As you are certain that this is the right marriage , a certificate or copy from a marriage register would give you the info about father's names for both bride and groom (as long as they knew who their fathers were). Then you can go looking in the census armed with the correct info, which will make it so much easier and a lot more rewarding :-)

Boo

[Tickettyboo]

http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/userfiles/UG12(4).pdf

That is the list of RC churches for whom TWAS hold microfilms.

If your John and Ethel were married in a catholic church 11th May 1921, you have a choice of churches

Boo

[emmanne]

Hi Tickettyboo,
Thank you for all that info, I really am a learner in all this.
I was just figuring out that there must have been more than one Catholic Church in the area and how I would find that out when your second message arrived- thanks !
Since the bride Ethel was definitely from hebburn maybe I will go with that as the wedding is usually in bride's church.
Thanks- I am in Scotland too.
Emmanne

[taffie01]

 If someone can do a look up at Tyne Wear Archives, Newcastle,   try  St Aloysius RC church, Hebburn, if not there then poss.  St. Bede's RC ,Jarrow

[Dinamboyz]

Hi My partners Grandfather was a Shanley from Newcastle.
His name was Micheal Shanley and later moved to Coventry.  Does anyone have any info on him or brothers/sisters or the name of his father or mother.

Kind regards