What's the name?!

[MargP]

Sorry another OAP moment, I thought it said brother-in-law

Margp

[mgf]

Or it could be brother Thomas had a daughter called Margaret who married a Culcheth?

[Hobbit Frodo]

Hi All,

Thanks so much for all these thoughts and sorry for disappearing! Work has been a bit crazy! My father has in the meantime managed to find Rev Thomas Smith's will which neither of us has had a proper chance to look through yet but I think it's going to confuse things even more as it keeps mentioning his niece Margaret (think he remained unmarried and didn't have any kids of his own) and another person and after their first names it has a surname that doesn't look like Culcheth but also says 'alias ??' another name that we cannot fathom. I'll stick it up as another post and see if it can be deciphered! Blinking ancestors, why couldn't they all stick to one name and write clearly!!!!!

I will try to sit down over the weekend and do a new bit of family tree to see if all these new little Margaret Culcheths work out date-wise with the rest of the family. Confusing bunch.

Frodo

[MargP]

Here is a related thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,633802.msg4816412.html#msg4816412

Margp

[Hobbit Frodo]

Thanks MargP, that's me too, I like to try to attach things from all sides 

[mosiefish]

Not sure which board to post this to!

Just some notes I have been making whilst following the threads:

The Margaret Culcheth born c 1814/15 who married John Louis Grille was born Burscough, Lancashire according to later census and her father was named as Ralph Culcheth on her marriage.  So Ralph must have been the brother of Margaret Culcheth born c.1772.  Given that there seems to have been a name change from Culshaw to Culcheth according to Thomas Smiths will there is the following baptism:

Baptism: 3 Aug 1814 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Margaret Culshaw - Daughter of Ralph Culshaw & Mary
Abode: Burscough
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: J. Williamson Curate

Now back to Deborah Smith born c.1747 – 1825, brother Rev. Thomas Smith who  died 1820 and their sister who Thomas named as Elizabeth Culshaw/Calshaw alias Culcheth/Calcheth in his will.  We know that Elizabeth had a daughter Margaret .  There are the following baptisms that may be relevant:

19 Apr 1772 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Margaret Culshaw - Daughter of James Culshaw & Elizabeth
Abode: Burs[cough]
(This ties in with your Margaret Culcheth spinster who died 1853 aged 81)

28 Nov 1773 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Ann Culshaw - Daughter of James Culshaw & Elizabeth
Abode: Burs[cough]
 
26 Mar 1775 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Ralph Culshaw - Son of James Culshaw & Elizabeth
Abode: Burs[cough]
Possible father for the Margaret Culcheth baptised 1814 who married John Grille.

The only problem is I can`t find a marriage for a James Culshaw to an Elizabeth Smith  The only one  is a James Culshaw who married a Betty Smith at St. George the Martyr, Queens Square , London on 18th May, 1769. 

Mo

[Hobbit Frodo]

Wow Mosiefish you have been busy! Thank you 

Thomas SMITH's sister Elizabeth was recorded as Betty originally and I guess it's as likely that she could be in London as in Liverpool given that she was born in a tiny little village in Dorset - Sturminster Marshall. According to Thomas' will (if I've managed to read it properly) Elizabeth had 3 children who he was leaving money to:

Robert Culshaw (alias Culcheth)
Anne Holcroft
Margaret Culshaw (alias Culcheth)

I'm convinced the three you have found are the right ones and Robert / Ralph thing is just one of those name things that seem to happen all too easily in family history searches!

I have also found a will for the 81 year old Margaret Culcheth who died in Longfleet Poole (if she'd been living with her aunt in 1825 in Parkstone then Sterte / Longfleet is only down the road) and she leaves everything to her niece Margaret Grille nee Colcheth. Sorry if I've already said that bit of info already, I should calm down and stop posting in so many places!

Thanks SO much for your help, that's brilliant. I know you've helped me before and I seriously appreciate it     

Frodo

[Hobbit Frodo]

Haaaaaaaang on a minute! I knew I recognised the name Ralph from somewhere.....Ann Culcheth marries Richard HOLCROFT in 1810 and they have Deborah Smith HOLCROFT.....she grows up and marries William CULCHETH.....his father is ....ye, you guessed it.....Ralph CULCHETH....ARGH! So they were first cousins........oh dear......