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Offline Manchester Rambler

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Re: swain
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Interesting!

From FamilySearch:

Frank SWAIN (22), son of Aaron SWAIN, married Ellen WHITHAM (19), daughter of William WHITHAM, on 6 April 1889 in Wakefield.
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: swain
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 21:13 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou very much for that
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 23:50 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Manchester Rambler on Wednesday 30 January 13 19:46 GMT (UK)
From FamilySearch:

Frank SWAIN (22), son of Aaron SWAIN, married Ellen WHITHAM (19), daughter of William WHITHAM, on 6 April 1889 in Wakefield.

Married after Banns - 6th April 1889 - St Andrew's Church, Wakefield
Frank SWAIN / 22 / Bachelor / Miner / Stanley Road / Aaron SWAIN / Miner
Ellen WHITHAM / 19 / Spinster / Stanley Road / William WHITHAM / Moulder
Witnesses: G. BROOK & Annie WOODWARD
All signed

So, if Frank was honest about his age, this may be him ...

Births Mar 1868
SWAIN, Frank Wilson
Chesterfield 7b 535

There aren't really any other births that fit for that time. On the other hand he might not have been telling the truth ...

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1871 Butler's Hill, Hucknall, Notts.
RG10 piece 3491 folio 61 page 51 (Schedule #347)
Charlotte SWAIN / Head / Unmarried / 39 / Belper
William do / Son / 16 / Dudley
Frank do / Son / 15 / Cinderhill
Hannah do / Dau / 8 / Ripley[?]
Joseph do / Son / 3 / Hucknall
Absalom do / Son / 10[or 16?] months / Hucknall

Charlotte's son Frank would have been 33/34 in 1889 ...
Although in the census he does appear to have aged from 26 in 1891 to 45 in 1901!
And in 1911 he is 50 ... wife Ellen's age seems to be consistent through the years ...
Harrogate, North Yorkshire (formerly in the West Riding of Yorkshire).

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Re: swain
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 31 January 13 05:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the 1861 census info - definitely confuses things.
I'll add all the info you have given me to my family history sheet.
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Re: swain
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 31 January 13 07:26 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Paul M on Wednesday 30 January 13 23:50 GMT (UK)
So, if Frank was honest about his age, this may be him ...

Births Mar 1868
SWAIN, Frank Wilson
Chesterfield 7b 535

I think Frank's birth was probably registered as KERRY, although it seems unlikely that Aaron and Charlotte married:

Births Dec 1869 
KERRY Frank       
Radford 7b 177
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: swain
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 31 January 13 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Not sure about that birth because Ancestry and Freebmd has a death for a Frank Kerry in Radford in Dec 1/4 1870 aged 0 which sounds like could be this one.
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Re: swain
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 31 January 13 09:59 GMT (UK) »
Hmmmm, yes - missed that!   :(

To be honest, the only birth registration I'm 100% sure of is Absolom's, as the whole family is pretty vague about their age on census!

Frank Wilson SWAIN married twice (1891 and 1900), and is on the 1901 census with 2nd wife Annie, so it's not him either...  ???
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: swain
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 31 January 13 10:12 GMT (UK) »
Looks like Charlotte's son William married Mary Ann HURST in 1882. His marriage certificate would be useful, if it shows his father's name and occupation.

Marriages Jun 1882 / Basford 7b 286
BREEDON, Henry / MOODY, Sarah Ann
SWAIN, William / HURST, Mary Ann

(Henry BREEDON is with wife Sarah Ann in 1891).

1891 / RG12 piece 3747 folio 15 page 23 / 3 Camplin Yard, Stanley cum Wrenthorpe, Wakefield
SWAIN, William / Head / M / 34 / Coal Miner / Oldhill, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Mary A / Wife / M / 37 / Fairley, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Annie / Dau / 7 / Scholar / Hucknall Torkard, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Charlotte / Dau / 5 / Scholar / Hucknall Torkard, Staffordshire
SWAIN, Sarah A / Dau / 2 / Denaby Main, Yorkshire
SWAIN, Edward / Son / 7m / Denaby Main, Yorkshire

(Hucknall Torkard is actually in Nottinghamshire, not Staffordshire as the enumerator has written).
Harrogate, North Yorkshire (formerly in the West Riding of Yorkshire).

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Re: swain
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 31 January 13 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Aagh, just realised I posted the wrong birth reg for Frank - 10 years too late for the 1861 family!

Try this one:

Births Mar 1860   
KERRY  Frank        
Basford 7b 87

And brother William:

Births Jun 1858
KERRY  William        
Basford 7b 105

Sorry about that!   :-[
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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