Sydney Daniels.A soldier or not?

[beedan]

Sydney George Thomas Daniels (1895 Fenny Stratford) on his marriage certificate (1917) states 'Soldier,grocer in civil life.'
On his sons (my fathers) birth certificate it states, 'Grocers Assistant ( ex Lance Corporal Manchester Regiment)'
His obituary (died 1932)' states in part 'being held prisoner of war for 10 months in (on a farm near) the village of Hunzel,Germany' ' was fond of re-calling the avowal of his captor' 'some four years ago (1928?) paid a visit to Germany on the invitation of his captor (farmer?),when he was entertained by his captor' 'In addition to his good work on the committee of the ex-Service Men's Club,the local branch of the British Legion' (Buntingford).
A contingent of 40 members of the British Legion led by Capt H. H. Williams led the procession from the house to the church'
I have a photo of him with his brother in law,both in uniform (undated)

Now to my problem. His war sevice record states that he joined 11 Jan 1915 and discharged as unfiited to the duties of the corps 23 Jan 1915. It is the only service record I can find through Ancestry.

A soldier or not?

[mmm45]

There's a medal card foe a Sydney Daniels 1/5th Manchester so he was a Territorial he went to Gallipoli in 1915
Does service record details tie in with other family stuff? He may have re enlisted if discharged?

Ady

[beedan]

Will check out the time line on the pension card to see if it fits also i have just been notified by a distant family member that they believe he re enlisted at Woolwich Arsenal in July 1915. So now need to try and find out about that.

[mmm45]

Any cap badges on the photo?
Think the Lancashire Fusilier Sydney was discharged in Dec 1915 so wont be the Manc lad as he would already have been in the Balkans/Dardanelles

The Manchester lad served through to 1919 and was discharged

Ady

[beedan]

Sorry,have just woken. not wearing a cap in the photo.

[cornish jo]

I have just re-scanned the discussed photo at a highter resolution, as although there are no cap badges, each have collar badges, which can now be seen quite clearly.  If Beedan has no objection, I would like to post the photo, as although I can see that Sid is wearing what I believe is service dress, Tom's uniform is of a completely different style, and I have no idea why, but would love to know!  Tom enlisted into the ASC on 15 November 1915 and was discharged from RASC on 30 December 1918.  Other photos I have of Tom show him in service dress whilst in the ASC band.

Thanks - Jo

[beedan]

No problem Jo.......

[cornish jo]

Please find attached the photo of Tom (l) and Sid.  Tom enlisted in the ASC November 1915, discharged December 1918.  Sid entlisted and discharged from ASC in January 1915, so not in the ASC at the same time.  As Beedan says, Sid's obit says he was in the Manchester regiment.  Tom's service history is not on A*y, we are fortunate to have his copy of his discharge papers.

I would be extremely grateful if someone could clarify the reason for the difference in style of uniforms, and confirm the regemental badges, if possible.  Had to reduce the size and quality of the photo to upload to RC in the end, so not as clear as I would have hoped.
Thank you
Jo
 

[bleckie]

Hi

The difference in style is due to when they were made.

I believe that the changes happened from 1916 onwards and the requirement to produce more and more uniforms. The uniform with pleats in the jacket pocket is the earlier one.

Yours Aye
BruceL