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Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« on: Sunday 27 January 13 21:39 GMT (UK) »
A person by the name of Emily Elizabeth Wicks married Thomas William Sharp 28 Dec 1901.   The only known and confirmed data about her.    On the marriage certificate it indicates she was 28 and her father was Henry and her father was deceased.   No occupation listed only the word deceased.
Her husband died 3 Jun 1909 and she died 28 Sep 1911 both in the St. Giles district of London.
Researched data:  1901-28 her age at marriage makes her birth year likely to be 1873 or possibly 1872.   1911 census is the only census after her marriage and before her death.    She is the victualler at the George Pub at 9 Great Queen Street London.   Indicated on the 1911 census is she was born in Essex.    Searches for a birth of Emily Elizabeth Wicks 1972-1973 to a father named Henry in Essex came up zero, however seven possibles were found in or near London.   All have been researched but nothing has been found to say which one may be the wife of Thomas William Sharp.    To make matters more complicated is internet family trees.    Thomas William Sharp has been attached as the husband to four different Emily's and only one tree owner replied back.   After hundreds of hours of research it appears that the only solution is to find someone who has letters or a family bible or real family knowledge which Emily Elizabeth Wicks was the one who married Thomas William Sharp.

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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 January 13 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi was this one of the Emily's that was discounted, as this road I know well and it is on the border of Chingford which is in Essex:-

1881 Census

Henry Wicks 47 occ Labourer Brewhouse
Hannah 44
Emily E 9
All born Hatfield, Hertfordshire
Residing at Sewardstone Street, Waltham Abbey, AKA Waltham Holy Cross (Essex)
Census Ref RG11/1396/52/29

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PS Sewardstone Street, is now Sewardstone Road E4

Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 January 13 22:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Does Emily Elizabeth's will give any further information?
Died 28th September 1911
Probate 23rd October 1911 London


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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 January 13 23:01 GMT (UK) »
to keyboard 86,
The family you named is one I consider as a strong contender but no family has been totally discounted.
to Valda
The will has the Executrix as Ellen Sharpe of Enfield.   Research has shown she was married to a Henry Sharpe who died in 1912.   We do not know if or how they are related.   See my other posting titled Sharps at the George Pub, 9 Great Queen Street, London.    We have a granddaughter of Thomas and Emily who is in her eighties and would really like to know about her grandmother Emily Elizabeth Wicks.


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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 January 13 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The fact that the executor was a Sharpe doesn't rule out that Emily Elizabeth named members of her own family in her will as well as her husband's family.

1901 census RG13 264 folio 129
The Falcon 6 Pemberton Road St Bride City of London
Emily Wicks 27 Servant Single Barmaid Waltham Abbey

1891 census RG12 1090 folio 40
Sewardstone Street Waltham Abbey Essex
William Ellis 53 Head Married Poulterer Waltham Abbey Essex
Hannah Ellis 54 Wife Married Hatfield Herts
Henry Ellis 18 Son Agricultural Labourer Waltham Abbey Essex
Emily Wicks 19 Daughter-in-law Barnes
Plus 1 servant and 3 visitors

Daughter-in-law was a term previously used to include step daughters.

March quarter 1886
Edmonton registration district
Volume 3a page 317 (for Hannah the reference on FreeBMD is given as 917 but the original is 317)
William Ellis
Hannah Wicks

September Quarter 1885
Henry Wicks aged 50
Edmonton registration district
Volume 3a page 216

Edmonton registration district covered Waltham Abbey and Enfield.


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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 January 13 23:58 GMT (UK) »
In a way I'm glad of all the posts since it saves me typing it all out - I agree completely that this Emily looks the most likely contender.    Looks like her parents were Henry Wicks and a Hannah Webb married 1856 Hatfield.   A son George bc.1856 but no more children until Emily E. (not that survived anyway).

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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 January 13 00:20 GMT (UK) »
I can see no blood relationship between Henry Sharpe bc.1865 Chichester, Sussex, his wife Ellen (per his will her name was Ellen Sarah and would indicate she was Ellen Sarah Keene who married Henry Sharpe 1896 Kensington), Thomas William Sharp and his wife Emily Elizabeth Wicks.   Think the Sharp/Sharpe connection is probably just a coincidence.

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Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

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Re: Emily Elizabeth Wicks
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 06:54 GMT (UK) »
    to Valda,
Much thanks.  You found the two census years for Emily that I could not.   Need to find her birth record.
    to Annette7
Thank you.    The will also named Ellen as the guardian of the surviving son of Thomas and Emily.    In addition  Thomas had an adult son from his first marriage living in London.   Why was he not named the guardian of his brother?    Possibly the suggestion made that Henry or Ellen was related to Emily may prove to be right although we have not found that connection.   If Henry and Ellen were not related why else would Ellen be named the guardian?   Thomas and Emily's son would never talk about his childhood when asked except to say he was sent to work on a farm as a child which he hated.    Both Thomas and Emily had died before the son was six.   Therefore we do not know what took place after his parents deaths.     We do not know anything else between childhood and adulthood.    The only things we know details about is after he was an adult and was married with children.    We wish we had the 1921 census to know where he was.    He was still a teenager in 1921.    Still too many unknowns.