Hi to both of you, Thank you for the encouragement in this search, I will check the census out as you say Mim they must be related in some way possibly cousins if not brother's, and just looking at Family Search I see the 1891 census you mention was taken in Crook where Elizabeth came from so I will definitely check it out, coincidence or what . Carole I am also thinking of suggesting to my friend to buy the marriage cert as you say it would cut out all searching for sure, If I am successful in all of this search it will have given her a family back to her Gt Gt Gt Grandparents on both sides of her Paternal/maternal family apart from Isaac's immediate family, all that she had previous were her parents names and she is 72yrs old so I am quite pleased and very certain that the records I have found to date are the right ones. It has just taken hours of using the library computer which has been very useful bit of a bind going there but worth the effort, not many people in our little town doing family history. Cheers for now l.b