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[keyboard86]

Hi again Denise, what's the story re the further marriage to a "Read" as I cannot locate one?

Keyboard86

[DeniseA]

WOW!!
Thank you all for the additional information, these are my people 

Walter Brouse/Browse Trist was a name given me by an Aunt as the father of her Gran Alma, she remembered a sister Elizabeth but didn't know a lot about her. I found the marriage for Walter and Susan using freebmd and a birth for Elizabeth but am always cautious on the pay sites if it's only going to give info I already have, now I have the names of Walter and Susan's parents.

Jennifer, on the marriage for Walter and Susan I'm a little confused about the Carver/Gilder part?

Keyboard86, this inquiry originated with me finding a post online for someone else researching "Walter Trist on the Marriage certificate of Elizabeth Read widow as her father. The marriage was in 1923 to John Bushell." (italics are mine) in Ramsgate, Kent, which is where my paternal family hails from primarily. The Reads and Coopers were both families pretty much dedicated to service on the Ramsgate lifeboat. Trist is not a common name and both the father and daughter had names that I had in my family so I contacted the gal who was inquiring, I wasn't able to find a Trist + Read marriage but did find the Trist + Pike/White marriages and was thinking along the lines Elizabeth Trist becomes a Pike we know now then a Read then a Bushell
LOL just read that it sounds like a garden
So I'm still looking, they may not be the same family but who knows, it's a mystery begging to be solved and this Trist side both Elizabeth and Alma are certainly keeping me busy.
Sincere Thanks again from Canada
Denise.

[keyboard86]

Hi again Denise, I think the "Carver/Gilder" phrase appertains to his occupation?

As far as Elizabeth Pike is concerned it looks now the marriage was a Trist/Pike, another daughter can be found in 1913 Lambeth if you follow the instructions given!

Keyboard86

[DeniseA]

Oh Ok, thx for the carver/gilder phrase info
Frederick still alive in 1911 census and I just found that birth for Violet so if Frederick died some time after 1913 it's still possible that Elizabeth Pike re married a Read between at least 1913 and before 1923 if they are the same people :/ My reasoning is Alma married a Fletcher in Faversham, Kent was in Canada where my Nan was born I have them in 1911 Toronto Canada Alma then married James Dean in Ramsgate 1930. I know it's a long shot but that makes it all the more fun
Denise

[casalguidi]

There is a birth for a George A READ with mother's maiden name of TRIST in 1918 Southwark ........ bit out of the areas being looked at though near to Frederick George PIKE's origins so it may be worth holding on to.  It could be that Elizabeth (if it is the correct one) had parted from Frederick PIKE but wasn't actually widowed or divorced when she became involved with Mr READ .......... divorce being terribly expensive thus rare for the more working class folk back then.  It was also around WW1

Having seen other queries on the internet ie. http://www.ramsgatehistory.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=556.0 regarding the marriage of John BUSHELL to Elizabeth READ nee TRIST I notice that Mr BUSHELL was a long standing resident and publican of the town so I would suggest local papers might be a good source ie. an obituary for him and/or even a wedding report.  He doesn't look to be buried in St Lawrence (if the transcriptions are complete) http://www.janetandrichardsgenealogy.co.uk/ramsgate_parish_register_extract%20-%20St%20L%20burials%201931-40.html so it may be worthwhile contacting Thanet district council to see whether they have a record of his burial, whether there is anybody else in the plot with him and whether there was/is a headstone?
http://www.thanet.gov.uk/community__living/deaths_funerals__cremations/cemeteries.aspx

Ramsgate did have a comprehensive local studies collection but I'm not sure what the position is since the great fire of a few years ago so it may be worthwhile to contact them and enquire about local newspapers (Margate may well have them) http://www.kent.gov.uk/KCC.Libraries.Web.Sites.Public/Default.aspx

Casalguidi

[peb21]

Hi

Frederick Pike was my G.Grandfather's brother.  I have his marriage cert. (25th Dec 1899) which states that Elizabeth Trist fathers name was George Trist (dec) Bricklayer.
So it looks like this Elizabeth isn't yours, I'm afraid.
I have found that several of the siblings in my tree(s) all called their children with the same family names, which could be the case if George was related.

[casalguidi]

So it looks like this Elizabeth isn't yours, I'm afraid.

The problem is, if she isn't the daughter of Susan (as above) then who was she as it's difficult to find another one that fits

May we ask if the marriage witnesses or address on the certificate are any help

Casalguidi

[DeniseA]

Thanks Casalguidi,
I hadn't seen that post on the Ramsgate History Board. This is the same gal I contacted. As I read the post and saw that John Bushell's first wife was a Knight and Elizabeth gave her address as 29 Camden Square, Ramsgate it has convinced me even more that they could be the same Elizabeth.

Knight is another name known within the lifeboat circle as well as Read and Cooper, these families all have intermingled marriages. I googled the address because it sounded familiar my heart almost jumped out my throat on googlemap as memories of Visiting my Aunt Lola and Aunt Vi on that very same street came flooding back.
I will definitely hold onto your George A READ info, when I saw his year of birth my mind immediately thought WW1 too 

Thank you Peb21 I appreciate the input So we have to rule out the Elizabeth Trist who married Frederick Pike? This doesn't change the fact that Elizabeth Read (widow) who married John Bushell in 1923 gave her father's name as Walter Trist also a bricklayer. I'm wondering what happened to the mother's names then?  It is also curious that your Frederick and Elizabeth called their first daughter Alma which you have to admit is not a common name and my GGran was also an Alma, maybe there is a connection between your Trist family and mine.

I have just restarted this research after a couple years break, I was neglecting my living for my dead so I'm a bit rusty

I appreciate all your input
Regards all from Canada
Denise

[peb21]

I have looked for a marriage for a George but have not found one, so perhaps his name was wrong?.
I found the death for Walter in 1888.  But nothing at all for a George.

Frederick Pike died in 1944 in Barnet the informant was his daughter in law.