Help with this Testament Dative

[Standfast]

Hi i wonder if anyone can help with this.
It's first page of the Testament Dative of Duncane Grant, and his wife Jonet Gawy dated 10th July 1639, which is 7 pages long, help with this first page would be a great help.
I've figured out bits of it, but it's mainly the dates i'm not sure of particularly the days, and the months where it's mentioned.
the other parts that i'm stuck on are.....

The last part of line 4 after the word tyme.
All of line 5 except the words Duncane Grant.
All of line 6 except the words Umquile Jonet
All of line 7 except the Jonets surname Gawy
All of line 8 except Johne Glen and
All of line 10 except Umquile Duncane
Line 11 after the word spouse
The date in line 13 - i think it's the 25 January 1639
The last word of line 14
All of line 16 except the words Duncane Grant
All of line 17 except the words Jon glen
all of lines 18, 19, 21, 22, & 23.

Thanks for any help

Standfast

[GR2]

Just a quick glance over the first part. The book must be tightly bound as the right edge is not all visible.

The testament dative and Invent[tar of the gudes]
geir sowmes of money and debtis perte[ning to the umquhile]
Duncane Grant tailzeor burges of Edr [ and of the umquhile]
Jonet Gawy his spouse the tyme of y[r]
deceis viz the sd Duncane Grant d[eceisit the]
yeir of God 1639 yeirs [     ] the sd [Jonet]
Gawy upone the yeir of God Jajvi & thret[tie          ]
Faithfullie maid & gevin up be the [        ]
Johne [         ] tailzeor burgeses of Edr [executors]
dative decernit and creditors to the sd [Duncane]
Grant & Jonet Gawy his spouse [Item]
the said umquhile Duncan Grant be his [    ]
subscrt wt his hand of the dait the xxv [              ]
therewith grantit him to have borrowit [from       ]
Thomas Gla[   ] tailzeor burges of the sd bu[rgh   ]


Worth looking them up in the printed lists of burgesses of Edinburgh. Using that you can often find the names of fathers, wives and fathers-in-law etc.

[GR2]

Had a quick look at the burgess roll. Duncan Grant, tailor, was admitted as a burgess (musket), by right of his wife, daughter to the late Robert Gawie, tailor, on 30th July 1628.

Robert Gawy or Gawie, tailor, was admitted as a burgess (pike and corslet), as apprentice to the late John Douglas, tailor, on 7th September 1602. James Edmiston stood surety for extents and watches.

[GR2]

Also found a document dated 13th October 1607 which refers to the late George Gawy, tailor in the Canongate, his wife, Marion Gudlatt, and their children, William and John. Perhaps related?

[Standfast]

Had a quick look at the burgess roll. Duncan Grant, tailor, was admitted as a burgess (musket), by right of his wife, daughter to the late Robert Gawie, tailor, on 30th July 1628.

Robert Gawy or Gawie, tailor, was admitted as a burgess (pike and corslet), as apprentice to the late John Douglas, tailor, on 7th September 1602. James Edmiston stood surety for extents and watches.

Thanks for that, i had already found that in the Roll of Edinburgh burgesses which confirmed beyond doubt that i had the correct birth entry For Jonet Gawie, who i had suspected was the wife of Duncane Grant, they are my 10 x Gt Grandparents.
This has taken me 4 years to unravell the mystery, and confirm the correct spelling of her surname, which is given on her marriage and 2 of her childrens baptisms as Jonet Gay, and on another Jonet Gai, her parents marriage is given as Robert Gaii, and Jonet Edmestoun, James Edmiston/ Edmistoun, appears as a wittness on all 3 of her childrens baptisms.

I have another question if you could help.
The date given as Jajvi & thret[tie, i take to mean that the year of Jonets death was 1630, am i correct in assuming that ?
Her first born child was born in 1630, the last in 1633, The entries for their children in the OPR's are for baptisms, and make no mention of the date of birth, but i would assume - though i know it isn't the case for all baptisms, that the baptisms took place shortly after birth.
Given that likley hood, i would guess that Jonet was still alive in 1633.
It appears to me also that the testament, is reffering to her as a co- testamentar, would that be case if she had died 9 years previously ?
Could the clerk have written Jajvi & thret[tie in error, and should have been Jajvi & thret[tie three making it 1633

[Standfast]

Also found a document dated 13th October 1607 which refers to the late George Gawy, tailor in the Canongate, his wife, Marion Gudlatt, and their children, William and John. Perhaps related?

I think it likley is, i've seen a George Gawie in the OPR indexes, but haven't got so far yet as to research any of the extended family. Where did you find the documet ?
The name Gawie, as i think it should be correctly spelt is quite rare, in the Roll of Burgess there appears another directly above Robert - Alexander of the Guild of Bretheren, the entry is for 7 Dec 1493, given the rareity of the name i think another possible relative - how on earth i'll be able to prove that one i don't know ! From what i've found the name Gawie appears to be of Dutch origin.

Thanks for all your help fantastic !

[GR2]

As I mentioned in my original post, the book is bound in a way that hides some of the words at the right hand side of the text. I have used [   ] to show bits there which can't be seen in the digitised text. Where it is obvious what should be written in the hidden bits, I've reconstructed them within [   ]. The line with the year of Jonet's death ends Jajvi & thret. The last word obviously continues [tie    ] to make thirty, but there is more hidden in the tight binding. It could well be threttie three or fower or fyve etc. Jaj is a way of writing M (= 1000).

This is not a testament testamentar made by the deceased (containing a will), but a testament dative. Creditors have been made executors dative to allow them to sort out matters and probably recover debts. This kind of testament can be made quite a while after the death of the deceased.

The document I referred to is held by the National Archives of Scotland. It's catalogue number is GD45/17/52. The Archives have an on-line catalogue. If you look it up, put the spelling "Gawy" into the first search box. It will come up with a few other Gawy entries, mostly, if I remember correctly, from Stirling.

As your Duncan Grant was made a burgess by right of his wife, it would suggest that his father was not a burgess of Edinburgh.

[Skoosh]

Black's Surnames, indeed has Gawie as a Stirling name. John Gawie was one of the maisters of the hospital there in 1600. Robert Gawy, a burgess of Edinburgh in 1606 & a Thomas Gawie in Todlochie, Strathauchine, Brechin in 1612. The name Gaw is given as Gall.

Skoosh.

[Standfast]

Gr2, Skoosh,
Yes it certainly looks like there are quite a few from the stirling area, and spreading out - i've found in the OPR indexes, births in Abercorn, as well as Stirling and Edinburgh, and others which may be variations on the spelling from pencaitland, and Dysert.
I've pasted all the info from the NAS catalouge onto a word doc for future reference.
 
I've trawled the NAS Catalouge quite a bit over the last few years, and also found that there are letters from David Murray a merchant burgess of Edinburgh ( who appears in this testament, and as a wittness to one of their childrens baptisms ) to the Lady Lillias Murray ( the Elder ) widow of sir John Grant 5th Laird of Freuchy, in which he states that 'Duncan Grant the old tailor is dead leaving two bonnie lassies aged 7 & 8 ( this would be correct they are Jonet b. 1632, and Christiane b.1633 ) and perhaps she could send something to assist them ' there are also other letters directly from Duncane to the Lady lillias, and some accounts from him to her.
I really need to get up to the NAS, and investigate this properly, i think i could spend a month in there, and still not have enough time !
 
Thanks for all your help
 
Standfast