Peter Lawlanier - I think!!

[John1935]

Hello Richard

Think I have as the French would say ' a right bordel' there, Somehow I have picked up ( poss because when searching for Eusebe or Boitel, I always press the variant button ) the poor Susanne bitten by a mad dog. Regarding the other Susanne, she would be 31 when married, but why not.

Best John

[John1935]

It appears that very few of the weavers that came over were able to make much of a living, and the few that did only for a short period.
Whereas the ones who stayed in France, kept their faith, somehow managed to plod slowly on
singing a song, or this is how it seems to be for our Eusebe family.

[John1935]

Hello Richard

Have you please more details on Susanne Boitel and Stedman - like date of deaths and what work Stedman did ?

Best

John

[richarde1979]

Hello John

The wedding  William Stedman and Susanne Boitet, at St Botolph, Bishop's Gate, London 10 Feb 1760, doesn't give an occupation detail for him. Witnesses were John Sullivan and Frances Hopkins.

Only burial I can find for a Susanne Stedman in the East End is at Christchurch, Spitalfields Feb 1788, of Pearl Street aged 46. This would give a birth year around 1741/2, so it would seem to suggest she is not one and the same as Susanne Boitel.

I cannot find a burial for Susanne as an infant, but I do find it strange Adrien Boitel's other three children would be inducted into the Threadneedle Street church at reaching 18, but  not his eldest, if she had survived. Doesn't seem to fit well.

Also could the Ann buried in 1803, actually be Ann Mauger the wife of Daniel?

[John1935]

Yes Richard

Sure you are right about Ann being Ann Mauger Old Daniel had not long gone -1797, and with Pierre gone , we really have no choice? - Boitels don't have much luck either, Adrien had lost Three out of six of his brothers and sisters. Old Daniel seemed quite well off despite having had three wives, so one would have thought, when Ann died, they would have mentioned his name.

None of the Susannes seem to fit as you say, unless they are children of Adrien's older brother Pierre, who was living in East Smithfields and baptising in St Johns Wapping, and where would Edward fit in (wife bitten by mad dog) Is it possible there is another Boitel Family ?

Best

John

[richarde1979]

John

I think the evidence points to Adrien being the only Boitel to to come to London, possibly as you say following Jeanne Eusebe here, and three surviving children to them, Mary, Daniel and Jeanne, they are the only three who appear to have reached adulthood according to the tesmoignage records, and this does match with the fact these are the only three who appear in local marriage records and can have families traced for them.

I don't believe Susanne Boutet is the elder daughter, the burial age for her is way out, and there is also another instance of the Boutet name near by at St Botolph Bishops Gate, William Boutet christened 6 March 1753 to Edward and Esther Boutet.

The one source for your Peter also looking at the image is clearly 'Boutet'

St John Wapping 1726 'Peter, son of Peter Boutet, weaver, and Susanne his wife East Smithfields.

The Boutets were a quite seperate Huguenot family, and the name would have been pronounced quite differently from Boitel, and in fact most of that couple's children were baptised in the French Church at The Artillery between 1716-1739 as Boutet, her maiden name down as Landon. So he can be ruled out as Adrian's brother.

Likewise I don't think Edward Bowtell and the Susanne bitten by a mad dog were in any way related. Bowtell seems to be a common name escpecially linked with that parish St Botolphs, entries dating right back to the earliest registers in the 1570's! The similarity with Boitel in pronunciation seems to be a coincidence.

[richarde1979]

Found the marriage of that couple, which further confirms he is not related to your Boitels

7 Nov 1714 Wheeler Street Huguenot, Spitalfields:

 "Pierre Boutet, son of Jean Boutet and Susanne Monnet married Susanne Landon, daughter of Samuel Landon and Marie Poignard. Married by Mons. Cregut, Minister. Witnesses Samuel Landon and Michel Poinineau."


The Boutets had come over alot earlier at least by the 1690's.

[richarde1979]

Daniel's first marriage was to Magdaline Guichet in 1769 - they had three children - first being Daniel in 1770 - Jeanne 1771 & Marie Madgaline in 1774.    This is where it gets confusing - as according to a licence I have he then married in 1787 Sussanah Pinot - then in 1790 ONE of them married Anne Mauger - which both were old enough !
John

Also regards this John, I think all three marriages were for the older Daniel. Obviously the first is him without doubt. At the time of the marriage in 1787, Susanne joined Threadneedle on the testimony 'of her husband'. This would not be possible for the younger Daniel as despite being baptised there, he never joined Threadneedle at all, so could not vouch for her if she was his wife. 17 is almost unheard of for a Huguenot marriage anyway, generally the men were at least in mid twenties, they married significantly older than the surrounding population tended too. The third marriage of course has Daniel Jr as the witness, and both parties as widowed, and the death of Daniel in 1797 and Ann soon after in 1802 also seems to fit.

[John1935]

Afternoon Richard

Will now spend the next few hours rewriting the Boitels, think that is now  all correct, means also that Pierre ( Adrien's brother never came over ), Jean- Paul thinks that the side of the Boitel family that is Adrien's was possibly Catholic, where the others down the road in Templeux, were split between the two religions, for example we know that Jean Baptiste Boitel from Templeux was Huguenot. So no boitels left on the shelf, will return to the Eusebes !!

Still also chasing Samsons on other post but just need the 1871 census for them, Sharon has done well and I have the other census including 1881 so that gives me an idea of how it might have gone for the Boitels, will post the write up on site when I can finish it as there might be other Samsons searching Samsons!!

Best

John