Peter Lawlanier - I think!!

[richarde1979]

Hello John

I think Stella is referring to this:

http://www.huguenotsofspitalfields.org/

Various celebrations in April in Spitalfields commemorating the 250th anniversary of the death of Anna Maria Garthwaite, an important figure in the silk industry, and the 415th anniversary of the signing of the Edict of Nantes, rather than the revocation. 

Looks interesting, and part of the itinary includes a tour of Dennis Server's house, so looks like it is still there and in good health!

Not sure about your point on Adrian Boitel John. I did not think there was more than one by that name? Bit confused there, might need to elaborate a bit for me on that.

The burials would be children yes, ages not stated but the parents name being given usually indicates a child, or perhaps on occasion an unmarried adult daughter.

[Ruskie]

Hello Ruskie
 
Da! if still open will go to see it when I next get over.

Ref ' dead men don't tell tales '  Just as well I suppose - or we wouldn't have Rootschat !

Best

John

 

I would like to be in town in April for the celebrations. I see that opening hours to Denis Severs' house have been extended. I am very pleased that it obviously remains operating as it has been.
You should go John. 

[John1935]

Morning Richard

So if there is no other Adrien Boitel these two must be as you say child deaths - on Jane, there is a big enough gap between Daniel (Snr) born 18th Feb 1737, and Ester (child death)1742.

Peter, if it is the end of the year would also be okay - we have already a Pierre b.15th Mar 1733 -
but he appears to have a wife Anne X b.1736 d. 1802 ( wife of Peter Boitel ).

Did you have by chance Temionage for the Boitels, how many and when please, when you have the time.

Best

John

Looked out the windows this morning  - No snow - whoopee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[richarde1979]

Hello John

This is how the children of Adrien Boitel and Jeanne Eusebe appear to stack up when the tesmoignages are also examined:

1) Susanne Boitel  born 3 May 1729, baptised Threadneedle Street 11 May 1729

2) Marie Boitel, born 25 Dec 1730,  baptised Threadneedle Street 10 Jan 1731 Tesmoignage Threadneedle Street 26 March 1749 aged 18

3) Pierre Boitel, born 15 March 1733,  baptised Threadneedle Street 25 March 1733 , Buried St Dunstan's, Stepney 26 Sep 1737

4) Jeanne Boitel, born 5 Jan 1735, baptised  Swanfields, Spitalfields 5 Jan 1735  buried St Dunstan's, Stepney 13 Sep 1740

5) Daniel Boitel, born 18 Feb 1737,  baptised Threadneedle Street 6 March 1737 Tesmoignage Threadneedle Street 23 Feb 1755 aged 18

6) Esther Boitel , born circa 1739/40?, buried St Dunstan's, Stepney January 1742/3.


7) Jeanne Boitel, born circa 1741?, Tesmoignage Threadneedle Street 24 June 1759 on testimony of Mons. Du Bouley Married Solomon Macaire 1761?


As you see above the only three to join Threadneedle Street as adults were Marie, Daniel and Jeanne, which might suggest they were the only three surviving children of Adrian. Marie and Daniel's Tesmoignages give their age as 18 which matches with the baptisms for them. Jeanne's does not state her age, but it is likely to be similar so a probable birth year around 1741. Since we know Adrian had a least one daughter around that time Esther whose baptism is missing, hers could well be too. Certainly I think the burial does relate to the daughter born 1735. An age of 24 at Tesmoignage for a girl (a daughter of an existing member) is almost unheard of, too old.

No snow here either John, plenty of dead snowmen 

Regards

Richard

[John1935]

Hello again

Jeanne/Jane Boitel marriage to Solomon Macaire 1761 Jane also shows on Tax Ass at 1760 to 1771 at 167 Bacon Street as seen at Tower Hamlets. Am about to look into others.

Thanks yet again

John

[John1935]

I have also a  Pierre Boitel b. 1702 in Ronssoy, Adrien's Brother.

He shows up as a weaver living in East Smithfield, married to a Susannah, and baptising his son Peter on 16th Oct 1726 at St Johns Wapping .

Adrien's son Pierre  b. 1733 seems to be attached to a wife Anne X who was born in 1736 and died in 1802 - wife of Peter Boitel.

Susanne appears ok, b. 1729 died 1787 Widow but of who?

Marie no problem went on to marry Vatin and easy to follow through.

Daniel's first marriage was to Magdaline Guichet in 1769 - they had three children - first being Daniel in 1770 - Jeanne 1771 & Marie Madgaline in 1774.    This is where it gets confusing - as according to a licence I have he then married in 1787 Sussanah Pinot - then in 1790 ONE of them married Anne Mauger - which both were old enough ! Otherwise Huguenot Soc. have a file on Daniel which I will have to take another look at.

At the time I only had Jeanne born in 1734, so thought that it was her who married Solomon and therefore did not think of her death until 1771 when her last child was born - now I have another Jeanne/Jane, it is more likely to be what you have said.

Have you any Boitels on Temionage before 1726 by any chance - please

Best

John

[richarde1979]

There is marriage between a William Stedman and Susanne Boitet at St Botolph, Bishop's Gate, London 10 Feb 1760, at least that is how Ancestry have transcribed it. Looking at the image it could be Boitel. St Botolph is very near Spitalfields. She doesn't appear to have joined Threadneedle Street as an adult, and this marriage to an English man might show then she was not following in the family traditions and their Calvinist faith. Where does the information you have on her burial come from? Does this not state her married name?

Could it not be Pierre the son of Pierre sr who married Anne x? The burial would seem to account for Adrian's son and rule him out.

Those three are the only tesmoignages for the Boitel family. (Daniel rejoined in 1787 when La Patente and the Artilllery were closed and their congregations merged with Threadneedle). Was Adrien Boitel a prisoner also in France? If so he would have been exempt from the need for a tesmoignage and could join automatically.

[John1935]

Hello Richard

To my knowledge; Adrien was not a prisoner, and am not sure about his faith, could he simply be following his Jeanne Eusebe over to the UK. Jean-Paul seems to think that the family were catholic - but to what extent ?
Think I got info on Susanne off Ancestors library site in Tower Hamlets, but no married name.

Best

John

[richarde1979]

Hello John

I found the Ann Boitel burial from 1802, but there is just her age given on the record, it doesn't say anywhere there she was the wife of a Peter?

Susanne I am still a bit confused on, if we don't know her married name, how can we know she died in 1787? She would have been buried in England under her married name. If we don't know that information how was the correct burial identified?

There is a burial 1 Jul 1787 at St Mary Stole Newington,for a 'Susanne Bowtell'. Interesting burial as it notes the 'death was occasioned by the bit of a mad dog'..nasty! However this can not be your susanne as she was born Susannah Burgin and married her husband Edward Bowtell at St leonard's Shoreditch 11 months earlier.

Is there some other source you have for her death that year, a family will perhaps? A Susannah Stedman was buried at Christchurch Spitalfields, but the age is a decade or so younger than Susanne.