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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 00:56 GMT (UK) »
Interesting discussion Richarde and John.

As as aside, have either of you experienced this whilst in the Spitalfields area?:
http://www.dennissevershouse.co.uk/

I visited on a cold winter evening in the festive season when it wasn't busy. Immensely enjoyable. extremely atmospheric, (a little pretentious  ;) but I chose to ignore those bits). Unsure of historical accuracy and don't think it matters - but overall an amazing experience. Not everyone's cup of tea but this is really my thing. Highly recommended. (and a very nice website  :))

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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 06:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi John, if you have access to the "London, England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1538-1812" on Ancestry it would be good for you to look at the following images -the names are transcribed as:
Ann Lawlman d/o Peter Lawlman, 1683, St Luke's, Chelsea
Sarah Lawlman, d/o Peter Lawlman, 1685, St Luke's, Chelsea
Peter Lawdian, bap 1578, St Botolph, Aldgate (lots of Lawdian here)
John Lawaner from Vine St, bur 1698, St Botolph
William Lawbanna, bap 1572, St Michael, Wood St
Mrs Lawbonne, marr 1778, St Andrews, Middlesex.

Let me know what you think,

Jo  :)
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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello Stella

Richard Phillips  is not listed in the trade directories for Wood Street. He is listed between 1767-1775 as a silk broker operating out of Mason's Court, Spitalfields, to the east of Brick Lane, (now part of Chicksand Street). He was married St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields 22 May 1765 to Magdalene Fremont, by license, which stated he was at the time of St Mary Whitechapel, over 25 years of age and she was of Christchurch, Spitalfields and over 21 years of age. The witness were John Fremont and Eleanor Phillips.

She was almost certainly then Madeleine Fremont, daughter of Jean/John Fremont and Susanne Le Maistre, baptised 30th March 1742 at La Patente, Spitalfields. John Fremont was a successful silk manufacturer, and at the time  Samuel Beach was apprenticed was operating (with his sons) out of  Wood Street at No.8. They have since changed the numbering, and this is today no.14, and in fact the same building pictured in my earlier link to John.

I think it is fairly likely then Richard Phillips at least was  from an English background, and his marriage to Madeleine gave him an in to this lucrative family business, first as a broker, but later a weaver himself if he was sufficiently expert to train apprentices at Wood Street. This seems especially likely if he himself had originally been apprenticed into the fishmongers company.


On the other subject, no photos unearthed of the Saunders family in Great Bardfield to date unfortunately. Have a very weathered and damaged  tin plate of my 3 x great grandfather Charles Saunders b.1849 Great Bardfield, with my 4xgreat grandmother Ann b.1817 Finchingfield, taken with my g-g grandfather in 1881 West Ham Park. Greatful and lucky to have that much I think. Maybe one day some more will turn up, we live in hope!
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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Interesting discussion Richarde and John.

As as aside, have either of you experienced this whilst in the Spitalfields area?:
http://www.dennissevershouse.co.uk/

I visited on a cold winter evening in the festive season when it wasn't busy. Immensely enjoyable. extremely atmospheric, (a little pretentious  ;) but I chose to ignore those bits). Unsure of historical accuracy and don't think it matters - but overall an amazing experience. Not everyone's cup of tea but this is really my thing. Highly recommended. (and a very nice website  :))

Hello Ruskie,

Yes one of the gems of Spitalfields Dennis Server's house, and the story of how it came to be almost as interesting as the house itself! I heard it was up for sale a year or so back for over a million, and there was a campaign to keep it going, not sure what the current status is, but do hope it's future as a living exhibit is secure, it would be a great shame otherwise.
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Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London


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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Oh God I hope it is not sold, or if it is, to someone who will continue it on unaltered. I visited in December 2010, and I have read some fairly recent reviews on Trip Advisor so presumably it is still operating as before. An amazing house.  I am looking forward to visiting it again on my next visit to London.


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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 16:13 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ruskie
 
Da! if still open will go to see it when I next get over.

Ref ' dead men don't tell tales '  Just as well I suppose - or we wouldn't have Rootschat !

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John
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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello  Richard

Could there be a second Adrien Boitel do you think ? Re burials - Peter in 1737 was the same year as Daniel was born - and Jane in 1740 would fit - if she was a child death ? with the exception that Jeanne/Jane born in 1734 was still alive, married to our bete noir -Solomon Macaire and having her own babies. Is there any indication that they were child deaths ?


How does one get hold of the Weavers Guild Apprentices register please ?

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John
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Re: Peter Lawlanier - I think!!
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 16:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello Stella

What, where, when and Why are there 'Revocation of the Edict of Nantes celebrations' Please.

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John

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Huguenot celebrations.
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 23 January 13 18:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi again John,

I forgot to say that the reason why, is that it is the 250 anniversary of the Revocation & that was what brought the floods of Huguenots to our shores.
Stella.