Peter Lawlanier - I think!!

[richarde1979]

Hello John

John Samson is certainly listed in early 19th century trade directories as a silk manufacturer at that address, however I did limit the scope of my own study to the 18th century, and he doesn't seem to have been there at that time, the premises were occupied at that time by another silk manufacturer, Jean Michel Galiègue, a refugee to London with his father and brothers, from Wallincourt, Picardy in the 1760's.


Searched through all Peters listed on the land taxes in Spitalfields 1740-1760. Definitely no Peter Lalleman. Perhaps we are wrong to go down the route? Nearest listed is a Peter Lemon but would that have been transformed to Lawlaman? Not so sure.


There are some more references to the Peter Lalleman of Dublin on Ancestry, subscribing to some publications, he was married and he left a will, but everything links him to Dublin rather than London, so seems doubtful he is our man.

Peter Laleman,    Male, 1738 Subscribed to 'A Political Essay upon Commerce' by Monsieur Melon, Translated, with some annotations, and remarks, (1738, BINDON, David. Dublin)

Peter Laleman,    Male, 1738 Subscribed to 'A scriptural exposition of the Church-Catechism with  devotions' (Fourth edn., 1738, HARRISON, Joseph. Dublin)

Peter Lalleman, Male, merchant in commerce,  1749, Subscribed to An essay towards an historical account of Irish coins, (1749, SIMON, James. Dublin)

Deaths 1779, Dublin 'In Pheonix Street, Mrs.Laleman, Lady of Peter Laleman, esq. formerly an eminent merchant'

Index to the Prerogative Wills of Ireland 1536-1810 : 1789 Peter Laleman, Dublin esq

[richarde1979]

As for your second question John, the early church records for the Boitels are all at Threadneedle Street, and do not give an address. Nor do they appear on the Royal Bounty Records or the Spitalfields Soup which in a way is good, at least they wern't on the breadline, but does not help in locating their exact address. The Eusebes of course do appear on the Royal Bounty and were on the accounts for charity handed out in the Brick Lane District, so would have lived around there.

Earliest record I can find which does give an address for them is the burial of Adrien Boitel's daughter Esther in January 1742/3 at which time he was living in Bethnal Green. Brick Lane runs up into Bethnal Green, so they may not have been far from the Eusebes. North Spitalfields and Bethnal Green was largely the location of the poorer weavers, so it is surprising they do not appear on the charity records.

[richarde1979]

Couple of earlier records John, under alternative spellings, which also give Bethnal Green as their location:

"Peter, son of Adrian Bortel, of Bethnal Green, Weaver, Buried St Dunstan's, Stepney 26 Sep 1737"

"Jane, daughter of Adrian Boitell, of Bethnal Green, Weaver, Buried St Dunstan's, Stepney 13 Sep 1740"

[richarde1979]

No luck on the land taxes, Daniel Boitel is the earliest, also in Bethnal Green 1783 at Hare Street.

[John1935]

Hello Richard

On Boitels we maybe getting there, if we look at the fact that Sclater/Bacon, stared building his leased estates of Swanfield (to the east of Brick Lane) and Harefield to the west in 1720, by the arrival  in 1726 of Boitels and Eusebes both Bacon Street and Hare street were built. Now through long searching through Land Tax Ass books in tower Hamlets last summer, we had found that Adrien Boitel lived at 167 Bacon Street in 1755, and the house was still in Boitels possession until Jane died in 1771, when her husband Solomon Macaire moved to Turvill Street.
Hare street is a continuation of Bacon street across the other side of Brick Lane, so that you have Daniel there in 1783 seems very possible as by then he is married with children, however his wife Magdaline Guichet dies  and he marries Susannah Pinot in 1787, and at that time is down as living in Artillery ground.

John

[John1935]

Lucy's family,am not sure, all that is certain is that Hubert ( her brother ) lived at 122-124 St Johns Street from 1760 until taken into hospital in 1772 Maybe all the Eusebes lived there from the start as by 1742 Michel had gone, by 1731 Marie, Anne and Jeanne had all married, 1740 Lucy was also away, Michel Jnr was up in Swan Yard by 1743 at the latest What thinks you Richard.

Best
John

[richarde1979]

Actually thinking about it my own ancestor Anthoine Deverdun claimed his Royal Bounty payments in the same district Brick Lane 1724-9 as the Eusebes but all the actual addresses I have for him are in Bethnal Green; Castle Street (1705), Silver Street (1709), Hare Street (1712) Turville Street (1739), therefore likely he was in Bethnal Green throughout this period.

Of course both Spitalfields and Bethnal Green were not yet parishes in their own right at the time the Royal Bounty Payments were made, but hamlets of Stepney, so when the Royal Bounty records refer to Brick Lane Spitalfields probably covers those living in Bethnal Green too, especially as this just referred to where the payments were made.

The payments in Spitalfields are divided into Petticoat Lane District/Brown's Lane District/Wheeler Street District/Brick Lane District. That roughly equates to where the four main church congregations met The Artillery, La Patente, Wheeler Street and St John's. St John's was/is off Brick Lane on the border of Bethnal Green so it would make sense those living there would go there to receive their payments.

In other words, the Eusebes may have been living in Bethnal Green from the start like the Boitel's appear to have been. All the early Boitel marriages are at St Matthew's Bethnal Green the first parish church built there.

[richarde1979]

Also John the above image from the Huguenot map maker John Rocque (please ignore the arrows I have added which relate to another project) is quite useful. My great grandmother was born and raised on Hare Street in the 1890's. It's Cheshire Street today. It runs off Brick Lane and parrellel to St John's Street.

Swan Yard is not marked but I believe was on the east of this map Spitalfields/Shoreditch border, near Anchor Street, Hollywell Lane kind of area. Also shows Wood Street, Church Street, Princes Street, etc at the very bottom, the richer area where the manufacturer's lived. I know you have walked these streets already but it's a good refresher of what the streets would have looked like on the original plan.

[North Star]

Hello Richard,

You mentioned to John  that you have a database of silk manufacturers in Wood Street. Is there any information about a Richard Phillips?

My ancestor Samuel Beech, son of John of Shoreditch,  was apprenticed to Richard Phillips of Wood Street, on 1st August 1782. Phillips was a member of the Fishmongers Co., but  a weaver by trade.
I will be visiting Wood Street again soon during the 250 Revocation of Edict of Nantes commemorations, and would love to know if that particular house is one of the ones still there.

I have presumed that Samuel was of English stock. I have never been able to find his father's origins. But Samuel married Charlotte Lesar in 1790.
Her father Abraham was in the  Haberdasher's Co.,  but  was also a weaver by trade, son of Paul I think -again I have not found any definite antecedents but believe them to possibly be of Huguenot origin.

On a different topic, did you find the picture of the 3 generations of the Saunders family?
All the best,
Stella.