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John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« on: Sunday 13 January 13 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I would like some help with John Johnson

A newspaper article dated around 1934 states:
"Captain John Johnson of Commercial Road, Grey Lynn will celebrate his 92nd birthday tomorrow.
Taking to sea at the age of 14 he served in windjammers trading to various parts of the world. After eight years of this sailing experience he sailed on the SURAT for New Zealand, in 1864.
A short while later he settled on the Gt Barrier and from there moved to Thames where he remained for several years. Finally he came to Auckland where he made his permanent home.
During these years he was engaged in the coastal trade and was a well known figure in shipping circles. Captain and Mrs Johnson had 9 children and there are 17 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren" The above article is accompanied by a magnificent photo of Captain Johnson.

He married Florence Ann Smith in 1876 and I have the names and dates of all children born.

Unfortunately we do not know anything about Captain Johnson's place or date of birth.

His death certificate (November 7th 1934) states his father's name as John Johnson (Landowner) and his mothers name as Malfred Johnson (no maiden name) and that he (John Johnson )was born at sea and is aged 92 years and has been in New Zealand 72 years.

We are, of course, trying to find his Danish name (assuming John Johnson is a English translation of his Danish name). To this end I have had correspondence with the Maritime History Archive in New Foundland who have the crew agreements of the Surat but John Johnson is not mentioned on them. ???

I have also been to Archives Auckland to see if there was any documentation relating to naturalization but could not find anything.

So.....
Can anyone advise me where else I might look to ascertain if John Johnson is a anglicised version of his Danish name
If a person is born at sea where is that birth likely to be recorded
Are there any New Zealand records relating to Ships' Captain's that I could access that might give me a clue to his Danish name.

Many thanks
SAM :)

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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 January 13 04:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello...

The A to J's give an 1888 reference to a Renewal of Master (Ordinary) Certificate for a John JOHNSON.

Page 16
http://tinyurl.com/a66pf4h

His Certificate of Competency number is 460.

Most annoying but I can't pinpoint the relevant volume on Archway. Normally the certificates are listed by volume but I can't find a mention. I'd suggest the following but don't hold me to it...

Certificates of Competency - Master - Ordinary (R14557083)  1885 - 1888
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14557083

Certificates of Competency - Master - Ordinary (R14557084)  1888 - 1891
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14557084

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The A to J's also give a 1902 reference to John JOHNSON, Master (Home Trade).

Page 14
http://tinyurl.com/anyn7or

His Certificate of Competency number is 5393.

Same again with pinpointing the relevant 1902 volume. Most annoying. Here's a best guess...

Certificates of Competency - Master - Home trade [duplicate certificates] (R14557311)    1900 - 1905
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14557311

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The Masters Certificate will list date and place of birth. Hopefully it's for your John JOHNSON.

If I were you I'd have a really good hunt through Archway before you visit Wellington. I'm not sure if the powers that be have changed things but you used to be able to match certificate number to relevant volume. No idea what the story is now

Regards
Beg


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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 January 13 05:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello Beg
Many thanks for your prompt and comprehensive reply.
Fingers crossed but I will do as you suggest and have a hunt through Archway before anything else.
Will keep you posted if crossed fingers work!! :)

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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 January 13 07:23 GMT (UK) »
Might the marriage certificate give better information as it is more likely to have been contributed to, by the groom himself?

Is there a naturalisation record for him?
...out of, through, and back from New Zealand to the ends of the Earth

FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM


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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 January 13 07:36 GMT (UK) »
There is a register of Maritime people and ships here:
http://www.nzmaritimeindex.org.nz/izsearchpersons.php

Is there something that you are going on that suggests Captain John was Danish in the first instance?

Here are some Danish websites that may help if he is Danish:
When you have a name, this database may help in finding a passage for him out of Denmark: http://www.emiarch.dk/search.php3?l=da

These two may help with the birth, marriage, death and movement(*) records:
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/dddform2_uk.asp
http://www.sa.dk/ao/
[*The Danes recorded each persons movements in and out of a town, which is a great way to track people who moved around]
...out of, through, and back from New Zealand to the ends of the Earth

FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 January 13 07:54 GMT (UK) »
...out of, through, and back from New Zealand to the ends of the Earth

FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 January 13 08:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello TwiggyTree

Thanks for the useful links
I am aware of the final fate of the SURAT and I have looked at the NZ Maritime Index.

I had not thought to get his marriage certificate; an excellent suggestion and one that I will attend to tomorrow.

The gentleman I am assisting in researching his family recalls his grandmother being in touch with her father's family in Denmark and receiving letters etc., from them. Unfortunately, all that documentation has been lost so he only knows his GG Grandfather's name is John Johnson.
I was not able to find a naturalization record for him.


Hope I get the opportunity to use the links you gave me for researching in Denmark

Many thanks
SAM100

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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 January 13 08:42 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: BegClonrode
The A to J's give an 1888 reference to [...] John JOHNSON

Hello SAM...

I seem to have steered you wrong with the 1888 mention of John JOHNSON, Certificate No.460

According to the Lloyds Register of Captains he was born in Stockholm in 1852.

Page 61
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsJ.pdf

Sorry about that.

Fingers crossed for the 1902 mention.....but I wouldn't hold my breath :-)

Regards
Beg

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Re: John Johnson _Sea Captain born Denmark
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 January 13 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Might the marriage certificate give better information as it is more likely to have been contributed to, by the groom himself?



I had not thought to get his marriage certificate; an excellent suggestion and one that I will attend to tomorrow.



He married Florence Ann Smith in 1876 and I have the names and dates of all children born.


Hi SAM100

Unfortunately a New Zealand marriage record (certificate) of 1876, does not include details of the bride or groom's places of birth (nor names of their parents).  [That information was only included after October 1880. ]

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