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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 03 January 13 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Also, bodice is wrong for 1893 I think, sort of a hybrid, not very definitive for that date but 1901, on the other hand, would be more likely.

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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 03 January 13 20:51 GMT (UK) »
I'm not convinced that it's the 2nd Baronet, looking at his pic online here: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7q8K0WYhKAc/T6DEIyPpESI/AAAAAAAATAE/PfkYARXKBbE/s640/ManderstonGuideP1_124.jpg  To me, they are dissimilar :/



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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 03 January 13 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Just quoting this - not sure if it matches:

From ~

The Sheffield and Rotherham Independent - Friday Jan 20, 1893


Fashionable Wedding -

'....The charming and accomplished bride wore a magnificent wedding gown of the richest ivory satin and full court train of silk broacade, coming from a bow between the shoulders and slashed sleeves of the same materials, the neck and wrists being trimmed with old family Irish point lace. The handsome veil was also of old Irish lace, over a tiara of real orange blooms. Her ornaments were a pearl necklace and a pearl and diamond comb, the gifts of the bridegroom, and a bouquet of white roses and lilies of the valley, intermixed with ferns and bound with streamers en suite....'

Note that this is from my local library  not from a subscription site

Added - realised that I'd not made it clear that this was from a report of the wedding between Eveline Curzon and James Miller, 1893.
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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 03 January 13 21:28 GMT (UK) »
The Curzons are very distant relations of our family. So distant the the 'older' modern generation were not aware of the connection. I guess we are the poor relations ;D

I have been looking on the internet to see if I could find a picture of Geraline Curzon who married a chap called Townsend in 1901 - cant find anything. I believe they married at Kedleston Hall

I did wonder if it was James Miller / Eveline Curzon but having looked at the photos side by side I think they are not the same person.

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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #22 on: Friday 04 January 13 02:48 GMT (UK) »
Just quoting this - not sure if it matches:

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The Sheffield and Rotherham Independent - Friday Jan 20, 1893


Fashionable Wedding -

'....The charming and accomplished bride wore a magnificent wedding gown of the richest ivory satin and full court train of silk broacade, coming from a bow between the shoulders and slashed sleeves of the same materials, the neck and wrists being trimmed with old family Irish point lace. The handsome veil was also of old Irish lace, over a tiara of real orange blooms. Her ornaments were a pearl necklace and a pearl and diamond comb, the gifts of the bridegroom, and a bouquet of white roses and lilies of the valley, intermixed with ferns and bound with streamers en suite....'

Note that this is from my local library  not from a subscription site

Added - realised that I'd not made it clear that this was from a report of the wedding between Eveline Curzon and James Miller, 1893.

What a find, eh :)

Not sure it's the same wedding...a lot of similarities, but I'm not seeing slashed sleeves and not seeing roses in the bouquet. Some other elements, such as lace, pearls etc are going to be found at just about any wedding.

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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #23 on: Friday 04 January 13 12:23 GMT (UK) »
I've found a few newspaper articles for the wedding, each a little different (one mentions ferns in the bouquet and lillies but no roses!) but essentially the same. I have also found the following articles for the other sisters but sadly no pics of the grooms for comparison:

GERALINE - [the dress] a lovely diesis of white crepe, the swathed bodice draped with beautiful old Carickmacross lace, which fell over the front of the skirt in graceful folds. The long court train falling from the shoulders was entirely composed of the same priceless lace, over softest chiffon. A lace veil (originally worn by the bride's mother) was arranged over high coronet of orange blossoms. Her ornaments consisted of a  pearl necklace and diamond pendant. She carried a beautiful bouquet of white roses and stephanotis.

MARAGARET - She wore a beautiful dress of rich, ivory duchesse satin, the skirt and corsage being handsomely embroidered with fine silver paulettes and diamonds in Louis XV bows. The [corsage?] had a yoke of tucked chiffon trimmed with lace and orange blossoms, while the collar and long transparent sleeves, as well as the veil, were of beautiful old Carrickmacross lace. The long Court train falling from the shoulders was draped on the left side with white chiffon, finishing off with true lover's knot and a spray of orange blossoms. Her ornaments consisted of a diamond pendant and a pearl and diamond brooch. She carried a goodyear bouquet from the bridegroom, composed of roses, lilies of the valley, stephanotes, tuberoses, etc.

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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #24 on: Friday 04 January 13 13:20 GMT (UK) »
My money's on Margaret (1899)then


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The [corsage?] had a yoke of tucked chiffon trimmed with lace and orange blossoms, while the collar and long transparent sleeves,  as well as the veil, were of beautiful old Carrickmacross lace.  ....She carried a goodyear bouquet from the bridegroom, composed of roses, lilies of the valley, stephanotes, tuberoses, etc.
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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #25 on: Friday 04 January 13 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Been doing some searches on Margaret and, in addition to more descriptions of the dress and lots of Curzon trees, I've found this:

http://www.sensationpress.com/thewomanathome_may1899.htm

It appears to have a photo of the wedding!

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Brides and Bridegrooms (Illustrations: Matthew White Ridley, Rosamond Cornelia Gwladys Guest, Margaret Georgina Curzon (married Hardress John Waller),

Has anyone got a copy  ::)
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Re: a date for the wedding couple pls
« Reply #26 on: Friday 04 January 13 15:23 GMT (UK) »
Both gowns and accompaniments seem to be very similar...about all I can get out of the descriptions would be the bouquets. I can see stephanotis and lily of the valley, but can't see any roses. So like brevitas, my money's on Margaret :)
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