Small family Somerset

[Ladyhawk]

My grandfather Henry Small was born in Stathe  Somerset according to his marriage certificate
He had a brother George
Both Henry and George say their father was James on their Marriage Certificates
I am trying to find his birth to take me back .

I'm sure you have these entries but just in case anyone else is able to help can I confirm if this
is your Henry & George Small on 1901 census

RG13; Piece: 4933; Folio: 44; Page: 39
Surname transcribed as SNEAD
20 West Wier Terr., Ebbw Vale Monmouthshire
Henry SMALL 31 Pawlett Somerset occ Steelwork Lab.,
Harriett 31, W Jno 9, Alice Eliz 6, Susan J 3, D Hy Lewis 23 boarder, Children all born Ebbw Vale Monmouthshire

RG13; Piece: 2281; Folio: 77; Page: 3
George SMALL 35 Stathern, Somerset occ Brickworker,
Mary Ann 36, William John 12, Clifford 10, Annie Priscilla 3, Evelyn Mary 1

I haven't been able to locate Henry & George together on the 1871 census with father James 

Wondering about either of these two 1881 census entries

Henry SMALL age 14 (1867) Farm Serv. in 1881 born Othery Somerset
he's noted as nephew to Job & Charlotte LAWRENCE
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3TT-TT7

a marriage in St Michael Othery Somerset 6 May 1848
Job LAURENCE 20 f James to Charlotte SMALL 17 f William
Witness Hannah Small (see FreeREG)

George SMALL (1867) Farm Serv. in 1881 born Othery Somerset
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3TT-TTS

Othery & Pawlett are both in the Bridgewater Registration District (See FreeBMD)

Sep 1866 Bridgewater vol 5c page 411 George SMALL
Mar 1862 Bridgewater vol 5c page 475 Henry    SMALL   

ADDED

I've found a Henry & George Small born Othery on 1871c parents George & Elizabeth

1871c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJV-JD4
Henry age 8,George aged 4

and Henry & Elizabeth Small

1881c  Henry Small born 1862 Othery occ Ag. Lab. mother Elizabeth widowed
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3TT-TJL

[trish1120]

Ok, 1891 Census George is born c Boroughbridge, Somerset
Occp Brickyard Labourer
There are Huckers visiting

1891 Census
Pawlett, Somerset;
George SMALL, 26
Mary Small, 27
William Small, 4
John Small, 2
Rose Hacker, 10
William Hacker, 5

[darylresting]

thank you lady hawk for your reply
The henry small ebbw vale is indeed my grandfather and all the other info you kindly gave me I have been able to find

It is the fact of James the father I cannot fathom out.
Were they illegitimate?
If they were Elizabeth's children did she marry again and they took on the name of a step father
or Grandfather is this possible

  I think the two boys living with relatives in 1881( next door to each other) is correct
.
 I have been able to trace a living relative (cousin) who gave me a little information but after 2 visits to her she did not want any more contact, which is a pity, this was a number of years ago and I don't know if she is still alive, but I respect her privacy and would not try and connect her again.
She knew of an uncle of her fathers who went to live in Wales.
This fact made my grand father Henry and her grand father George brothers she had a picture of George and the family likeness is there

George witnessed Henry's marriage and Henry  George's both with a X
George lived in the area known as Ford bridge

[darylresting]

trish
I have not seen the entry on the 1891 census but it looks to be the same family thank you.

[Ladyhawk]

It is the fact of James the father I cannot fathom out.

Were they illegitimate?

If they were Elizabeth's children did she marry again and they took on the name of a step father
or Grandfather is this possible

I've found a

Henry & George Small born Othery on 1871c parents George & Elizabeth

1871c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJV-JD4
Henry age 8,George aged 4

Not sure this is going to be of any help but followed Elizabeth from 1871c.......

1861c RG 9; Piece: 1623; Folio: 30; Page: 8
Bridgewater Somerset
George Small 32 Ag Lab. wife Elizabeth 28
children Thomas 8 Ellen 4 Jane 6 Frank 1 (Frank is on 1871c with Henry & George)

Marriage entry 1852 Bridgewater
George SMALL name on same page Elizabeth TUCKER

Death entry Jun 1871 Bridgewater
George Small age 42 (c1829)

1851c HO107; Piece: 1924; Folio: 397; Page: 11
Othery Village
there’s a George Small 19 & Elizabeth Tucker 18 in the household of
James Talbot occ. Farmer of 20 Acres, both are house servants

The above Elizabeth Tucker  age 8 appears to be is with her parents
Joseph & Grace & 3 siblings in Othery Bridgewater on 1841c

Elizabeth Small died aged 69 (1833) Mar 1902 Bridgewater

1901/1891 c
Elizabeth Small a housekeeper noted wid & in 1891c also with them Annie Small dau 15
Head Thomas Odery 53 occ Farm Lab. (Thomas Odery is a lodger with widowed Elizabeth on 1881 c)

1891c RG12; Piece: 1882; Folio: 23; Page: 3
1901c RG13; Piece: 2282; Folio: 26; Page: 3

[Ladyhawk]

At the moment I can only find a George born c1867 Somerset with father James Small his occ. Carter and he’s with him 1871/1881/1891 this George Small appears to have married Fanny Arrowsmith - so can be ruled out

Your George Small born c1867 Somerset gave his daughter Annie middle name of Priscilla a long shot perhaps named after Priscilla God(t)frey  (see 1881 census already posted]

Have followed Priscilla through the censuses to see if there are any leads..............

1871c Priscilla https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJV-J88

1861 Priscilla  & husband Coltrip 48 Farmer RG 9; Piece: 1623; Folio: 29; Page: 6;

1851 surname transcribed Goltry HO107; Piece: 1924; Folio: 398; Page: 13,
Coldtrip, Priscilla, Thomas & Willliam

1841 surname Gotfery HO107; Piece: 964; Civil Parish: Othery; Somerset; ED 4; F 16; P 1
Coltrip & Priscilla both aged 25

Coltrip GOTFREY f Thomas married 11 May 1841
Priscilla TUCKER f William
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fo2/

Colltrip died age 56 in 1869 Bridgwater

Were there any other witnesses named on both Henry & George SMALL’s marriage certs that might help?

Did either m/c note father James as deceased?

None of George & Mary Ann’s children appear to have been named James
John, Clifford, Annie Priscilla, Evelyn Mary, Frederick A & Clara Dorcas

Nor Henry & Harriet’s children
William John, Alice Elizabeth, Susan Jane, Hannah,

Where they named after their wife’s family

[dromengro]

Do 3 posts & you can receive personal messages.

[darylresting]

ladyhawk
Thanks for all your work, pretty sure Pricilla Godfrey is a relation.
William Small had a lot of Children one of them was Charlotte who Married Job Lawrence.
 Henry living with them in 1881 as nephew
William Small c1803 married Ann Tucker,- Pricilla Godfrey's sister therefore Charlotte's aunt
 Joseph Tucker could be a brother? to Pricilla and Ann
Looking at your info regarding George and Elizabeth (nee Tucker) it is beginning to look as if this maybe the right family.
William Small c1803 was the son of James Small and Mary Ganicott married 1799 they also had a son called James Baptised 1813 but I can't find the link to my George and Henry
I found a James Small marriage in Free BMD  Dec qtr 1838 which is the wife?
 
To answer your Questions neither say that the father is deceased on their MC
Henry my Grandfather had George and his sister-in-law Sarah Ann Hawkins to witness
George his brother had Henry and Dorcas Hucker his sister in law

Harriet Hawkins who married Henry her parents were John and Jane

Parents and siblings of Mary Ann Hucker married George Small 1866
Census 1881
William 48
Priscilla 50
Charles 22 son
Mary 16
Rose 6
Dorcas 15 was a servant in North Petherton
I am sure that's enough for you to digest, you'r a star
Daryl