Should I just give up now?

[Spidermonkey]

Also, grabbing at all the straws going!, there is this William, bn 1863 who (on the 1881) is working as a painter.  His father and a brother are working as stone masons.
RG11 piece 4197 folio 31 page 20 

Slight problem is that father's name is Alexander and they are living in Blackburn

[Romilly]

Also, grabbing at all the straws going!, there is this William, bn 1863 who (on the 1881) is working as a painter.  His father and a brother are working as stone masons.
RG11 piece 4197 folio 31 page 20 
Slight problem is that father's name is Alexander and they are living in Blackburn

Well... there's obviously something not quite right with the info that William James Wilson gave on his Marriage Cert... because I've combed the Censuses quite exhaustively, and I can't find either him or William Wilson, (Snr) on any of the earlier Censuses. It does seem strange though that on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses for Wales everything he says seems quite straightforward. And all of his sons were correctly registered, etc...

I have read, (somwhere) that there were quite stringent punishments for not taking part in the Censuses... and so it is very perplexing that I can't find him.

Romilly 

[Spidermonkey]

Also, grabbing at all the straws going!, there is this William, bn 1863 who (on the 1881) is working as a painter.  His father and a brother are working as stone masons.
RG11 piece 4197 folio 31 page 20 

Slight problem is that father's name is Alexander and they are living in Blackburn

Father Alexander seems to die between 1881 and 1891 and the family seem to disperse a bit.  Mother Ann is with her married daughter Elizabeth here RG12; Piece: 3457; Folio: 38; Page: 29

[Spidermonkey]

1861:13 Hodson St, Blackburn
ALexander Wilson  HEad Mar  34  Stone Mason  bn Kirkby Lonsdale
Ann Wilson  Wife  Mar  30  bn Blackburn
Joshua Wilson  Son  10  bn Blackburn  (Deaf and dumb)
Mary Alice WIlson  Dau  5  bn Preston
James WIlson  SOn  3  bn Blackburn
Elizabeth Ann WIlson  Dau  1  bn Blackburn
Mary Hall  Boarder  Mar  70
RG 9; Piece: 3099; Folio: 30; Page: 4

1871:69 Holy Well St, Blackburn
Alexander Wilson  Head  Mar  44  Stone Mason  bn Kirby Lonsdale
Ann Wilson  Wife  Mar  40  bn Blackburn
Joshua Wilson  Son  Unm  20  Stone mason  bn Blackburn
James Wilson  Son  Unm  13  Core? cutter bn Blackburn
Elizabeth Ann Wilson  Dau  11  bn Blackburn
William Wilson  Son  9  bn Blackburn
Alexander Wilson  SOn  7  bn Blackburn
Mary Alice Wilson  Dau  4  bn Blackburn
Margaret Wilson  Dau  3  bn Blackburn
RG10; Piece: 4183; Folio: 16; Page: 25

[Romilly]

Thanks for posting all of that spidermonkey.

I will check it all through tomorrow. (My subs to Ancestry expire this week, - and so I will try to re-check everything suggested... before resting it all for a while)

Best Wishes, Romilly.

[Maddie]

Hi Romilly

I don't think any of us ever really give up trying to find those darn elusive ancestors.

This is probably a complete "red herring" but I have been wondering about the connection between Joseph Havelock Wilson & your Uncle William Havelock, you said you thought that was where the name Havelock came from, is it at all possible that your Grandfather was actually a seaman before he married your Gran.

I've found a William Wilson on the 1891 in Mylor Bridge Cornwall, RG12/1833/41/9, he is a Royal Marine aged 32, born Manchester & lodging with a Sampson Prout, aged 59 a Pensioner in the RN, his wife Christiana & son Thomas all born Cornwall.

Trouble is there are 7 births on Free BMD for William Wilson between 1859 & 1861 in Manchester so I'm not having much luck trying to go backwards from him.

As I said, I'm probably way of the mark but I guess anything is worth looking at.

Maddie

[gazania]

I am assuming you have checked the Cambrian Index, newspaper index for Wales. Keep going. I'm pleased I did with one of my elusives.  Regards, Gazania

[Romilly]

Hi Maddie,

Thanks for looking for me.

Yes, I too noticed the Mylor Bridge Royal Marine. I downloaded lots of RNLI Records from The National Archives Site, but none of them seemed to be for the right chap:-(
Likewise, I ordered more Birth Certs for William Wilson's born in Manchester; which again, didn't fit the info that I already had.

There is a missing gap for Merchant Navy Records for the period that William James Wilson might have served, - and so thats another dead end...

My plan for when I am next able to visit Kew is to try and sort out if there are any records relating to The Taylor and Sanderson Steam Shipping Company, who were based in Sunderland. My father's first job was with them, and it's just possible that William James Wilson had either worked for them previously, or had some sort of link to them.

I did try to follow Joseph Havelock Wilson's family back through the Censuses for Sunderland a while back now, but I couldn't find any link, - although difficult to know as I don't have any names...:-(

Thanks for the help,
Romilly.

[Romilly]

I am assuming you have checked the Cambrian Index, newspaper index for Wales. Keep going. I'm pleased I did with one of my elusives.  Regards, Gazania

It's worth a try !

Cheers, Romilly.