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Relative killed in the First World War
« on: Friday 28 December 12 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I am trying to find some information about my Great Uncle Harold who was killed in the 1st World War at Mons (I think) . I have some information which I include and I should be very grateful if someone could explain what it means. There appears to be something about medals(?) with an asterisk. I think from what I see, he was killed on 30/10/1914 (?)
Would it be possible to find out where he was when he was killed? How he was killed? What he was doing when he was killed? I would like to visit the site of the battle.
I think he is buried at Ypres and I assume it would not be too difficult to find his grave stone(?) Again, I would like to visit and assume also that his name will be written somewhere(?)
Any help or advice would be most welcome.
Thank you.
David
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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 December 12 17:36 GMT (UK) »
You can find more about him on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) website. It appears he has no known grave and so is commemorated on the Ypres (Menin Gate) memorial.
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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 December 12 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for your help. Does that mean that it is not known WHERE he died?
David

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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 December 12 18:02 GMT (UK) »
'No known grave' mean that the body was not identified and he is commemorated on a memorial rather than having a burial plot and gravestone.
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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 December 12 18:16 GMT (UK) »
The fact that he is commemorated on that particular memorial means that he died in Belgian Flanders. It is just possible that he was buried but that the site of his grave was lost during the subsequent fighting in what was probably the First Battle of Ypres. I could not find any mention of him on Findmypast which suggests that his records were among the many destroyed by bombing in WW2. His unit records may be held at the National Archives, Kew.
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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 December 12 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your help. I will try the National Archives to see if they have any further information on him.
David

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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 December 12 07:09 GMT (UK) »
Assuming the removed image in post one was the Medal Card then its removal means that his identity is not available to those of us reading the thread post removal.
What is the name/number/Regiment please?

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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 December 12 09:31 GMT (UK) »
Oops - thank you Gwil. I hadn't realised that the attachment had been removed. I assume I can tell you what it says! His name was Harold V YATES. His Corps was 20/Hos (I think) Rank L/Cpl and Regtl. No : 2911.
 Underneath these is an asterisk with a ditto mark on Corps . Then Pte and a ditto mark on Regtl.No. (I don't know what any of this means.)
Then in Medal Roll and Page it has: Victory    asterisk(from above) CY/126.B and Page 2587. Next is British and a line broken with either the word No or a ditto mark in Roll and Page either No or 670(!).
Underneath this is 14 Star  and CY/7 on Page 73. Beneath this is added Clasp/2/3380. Date of entry therein: 15.8.14
In Remarks is written (I think) KmA or KinA  30.10.14
Now I look again I think this may be Killed in Action (?)
I should be grateful for any explanation of any of this.
David

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Re: Relative killed in the First World War
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 December 12 10:15 GMT (UK) »
There were quite a few Harold/Harry for that date that Memorial on CWGC. I thought I might be able to help with one of them but it's not the same one.

His unit was 20th Hussars
see
http://www.1914-1918.net/hussars.htm
Someone else may be able to help you with their actual movements/war diary etc.

This should help you with interpretation of the medal card
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/research/index.php/find-your-soldier/campaign-medal-records/how-to-interpret-a-campaign-medal-index-card/
These are the medals referred to
http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/themedals.htm

note the material about the clasp to the 1914 star (referred to on his Medal Card)