Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage

[DML1]

bearcat and brk188:

Following up on my post last Wednesday, I viewed the Linton PR today:

Iden, Son of Iden Playne of Marden was buried at Linton on 23 Aug 1723, not 1722 as shown on familysearch. That is after the baptism of his son Iden on 24 Jun 1723, so the latter would be the one buried. So there is no need to suppose Iden and Mary Plane had another child Iden before Mary 1721. They had 5 children but only Mary survived childhood, the other 4 being buried at Linton.

Also buried at Linton was Iden Playne of Newenden on 12 Feb 1773. Mary 1721 went to live at Newenden after she married Samuel Bishop, so her father Iden must have been living with her in his old age. Iden 1687 must have died at the age of 86.

Also buried at Linton was Anne Plaine Widow from Marden on 1 Feb 1739/40. This places her as Anne Beaston, widow of Iden's father George.

[DML1]

Looking at familysearch again, George Plane was buried at Linton on 11 Apr 1712, a week after writing his will. Perhaps he was the first.
And Mary Plane wife of Iden was buried at Linton on 8 Aug 1757 or 1758.
I will check these against the PR at some future time.

[bearkat]

Thank you for the extra details from the Linton parish records. 

The research on this thread shows that you cannot rely on online resources alone - you need to see the original records

[bkr188]

Hello DML1
Great work, and thank you for the info.  Just one problem: The Marden History Group archives give the parents of Iden christened 24 June 1723 as John and Mary and the other two children Mary, born 12 Sept 1721 and John christened 15 Sept 1724 as children of Iden and Mary.  Do you think there may be a typo on www.mardenhistory.org.uk/memberview.BAPTISMS?  I have also seen where Iden was the child of Iden and Mary on another list of christenings at Marden.
Is very confusing with so many Idens and John.  Mary's father could well have gone to live with her.  There seemed to be a lot of relations at Lossenham Manor at different times.  Will try to verify such.

 

bearcat and brk188:

Following up on my post last Wednesday, I viewed the Linton PR today:

Iden, Son of Iden Playne of Marden was buried at Linton on 23 Aug 1723, not 1722 as shown on familysearch. That is after the baptism of his son Iden on 24 Jun 1723, so the latter would be the one buried. So there is no need to suppose Iden and Mary Plane had another child Iden before Mary 1721. They had 5 children but only Mary survived childhood, the other 4 being buried at Linton.

Also buried at Linton was Iden Playne of Newenden on 12 Feb 1773. Mary 1721 went to live at Newenden after she married Samuel Bishop, so her father Iden must have been living with her in his old age. Iden 1687 must have died at the age of 86.

Also buried at Linton was Anne Plaine Widow from Marden on 1 Feb 1739/40. This places her as Anne Beaston, widow of Iden's father George.

[bearkat]

I think I will need to look at the original register to check whether it is John or Iden.  Both can look similar when a few flourishes are added.
With the duplicated CofE and non-conformist records for the children one is listed as John and the other Iden - very confusing

[DML1]

If I am right then the Marden History Group records would seem to be wrong. I plan to see the Linton PR again on Monday and will save the relevant records for future discussion, but I can't view Marden. John and Mary does not make too much sense to me, as John was with Ann Chapman in Staplehurst.

I have been trying to work out the details of George's other children, and all roads lead to Linton. I haven't found the marriage of George's 1st daughter Martha 1681 to Mark Gardner, but their daughter Martha was baptised at Linton in 1705 and seemingly Martha nee Plane was buried there in 1706 which explains why they had only 1 child. The two Marthas were mentioned in George's will of 1712, but seemingly he failed to mention that his daughter was dead.

Martha was the 2nd of Mark Gardner's 3 wives. He married Mary Hadloe at Linton in 1701 but she was buried at Linton in 1703. And he married Elizabeth Walker at Linton later in 1706 after Martha died. Mark himself was buried at Linton in 1712. Mark's wives did not have much luck. Martha must have married Mark between 1703 and 1705.

George's other daughter Anne 1688 seems to have married John Ossen at Linton in 1711, so perhaps she was not mentioned in George's will because she had already received her share as a dowry. They had a child Edward named after John's father, baptised at Linton in 1712 and buried there in 1713. John also was buried at Linton in 1713.

All this is provisionally sourced from familysearch, and I still have to check it against the PR for any confirming details.

So as far as we know George's daughter Martha was the first in the family to be buried at Linton, in 1706. George followed in 1712, then Iden's 4 youngest children between 1725 and 1733, George's widow Anne in 1739, Iden's wife Mary in 1757 or 1758 and Iden in 1773. Also young Edward Ossen was buried there in 1713.

[DML1]

Of course in my previous post instead of saying that the two Marthas were mentioned in George's will I should have said that his daughter Martha and granddaughter Mary were mentioned in the will, but seemingly he failed to mention that his daughter Martha was dead. It makes difference to the wider logic.

[DML1]

Sorry and the daughter of Martha 1681 and Mark Gardner was Mary 1705 not Martha. And it makes no difference to the wider logic.

[bearkat]

Sorry it was my message that caused the confusion between Mary/Martha 

As you say we're building up the bigger picture with this family.