Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage

[DML1]

I an trying to confirm that Arthur Gray and Ann Plane, both of Staplehurst, married at Langley, Kent on about 18 April 1738.

The on-line document Canterbury Marriage Licenses for Staplehurst People shows a license dated 18 April 1738 for them to marry at Staplehurst, Maidstone or Langley.

I believe the Staplehurst parish register shows the marriage at Langley on 14 April 1738 of Arthur Grey and Ann Bale, both of Staplehurst. I am hoping that the Bride's surname was really Plane.

Is anyone able to find the marriage details of Arthur Gray/Grey in the Langley parish register for mid-April 1738 please?

[BettyofKent]

Welcome to RootsChat

It was the 14th April 1738, Arthur GREY to Anne BALE, both of Staplehurst, by Licence.
No witnesses given.

Betty

[DML1]

Betty

Thank you kindly for your quick reply, and for the welcome. It means the apparent name error was introduced at Langley, and the marriage seems to be a little earlier than the license.

[bearkat]

It's a while since you posted this query.

Ann PLANE was the eldest daughter of John & Ann of Staplehurst, a family I am researching.  Do you have any further details about John PLANE or are you just investigating Arthur GRAY's marriage?

[DML1]

I am a descendant of John Plane through Ann Plane and Arthur Gray, so I am interested in John. However all I know about the family is from the Staplehurst parish registers, plus the death of George 1729 at Queenborough in 1781. Our findings are on the Weald website.

Re the marriage of Ann Plane and Arthur Gray, I obtained a copy of the Canterbury marriage licence and it was issued on 13 April 1738, the day before the Langley marriage. The issue date of 18 April shown on the internet and elsewhere is in error. I have also seen film of the Langley PR and the bride's name was recorded as Bale, but I am sure she was Plane, consistent with the licence.

Arthur Gray of course was the smuggler, member of the Hawkhurst Gang, who was hanged at Tyburn in 1748.

[bearkat]

Thanks for the speedy reply.

I've been looking at the evidence for John PLANE who lived in Staplehurst.

According to the KAS MIs John's gravestone in Staplehurst churchyard says that he died 4th November 1745 aged 67 which gives a birth year of about 1678. A later review of this by the Staplehurst History Society says the age is 61 and thus a year of birth around 1684. He was a victualler.

George (an innkeeper, later of Marden) and Anne PLANE had a son called John baptised in 1685 at East Peckham. They also had a son called Iden who became a victualler in Marden.

There is also a John PLANE baptised 20th January 1680 at Brenchley (next to Marden) son of Francis PLANE & Anne TASKER. 

 John and Ann PLANE of Staplehurst had the following children: Sarah, Iden, John, Ann, Richard, Robert, Elizabeth, Thomas, Mary, George. I feel this naming pattern and John's occupation mean he is more likely to be the son of George and Anne.

I have only found a marriage for one John PLANE in the correct time frame: to Ann Chapman of Linton at Teston - says he was from Marden.  This marriage was by banns so no chance of any further info from a licence.

At the moment I can't prove which is the correct John.  Even George's will (if it has survived) may not give me the answer.

Do you have any thoughts?

[DML1]

I think George and Anne were the parents of John based on the details you provide, but the only source I have at present is familysearch, so I can't confirm everything for myself:
The 1713 marriage of John Plane and Ann Chapman at Teston is a good fit: it is on familysearch but that doesn't mention their parishes of Marden and Linton - I guess they comes from the PR?
Ann(e) Chapman looks like the one born at Marden in 1687 to Richard and Elizabeth (two of John and Ann's children seem to be named after them).
The children of Iden and Mary Plane at Marden were Mary 1721, Iden 1723, John 1724, Ann 1727 and John 1730. All these names are repeated in the children of John and Ann, tending to confirm that the fathers John and Iden are closely related.
The only child I can see for George and Anne is Anne baptised at Marden in 1688, which at least confirms they were there. I don't see the births of their children John and Iden on familysearch, but you must have a source for these?
Following your thought that the children of John and Ann could be named after relatives, this accounts for John, Ann, Iden, Richard, Elizabeth, Mary and George, leaving only Sarah, Robert and Thomas.
But only the children's' names Iden, Mary and George have any real bearing on the key question of which John married Ann Chapman, and the significance of these depends on the birth details of the brothers John and Iden.
Although Iden Plane was living at Marden around that time, three of his children, John 1724, Anne 1727 and John 1730 were buried at Linton in 1725, 1729 and 1733 respectively. I don't know what to make of that.
I would appreciate any details of the sources for the 1713 marriage at Teston and the births of John Plane and his brother Iden please. And in fact when and where was Iden born?

[bearkat]

Just a quick reply as I'm off to work in a moment.

I have a copy of a will which places Iden PLANE at Stilebridge, Marden which is at the northern edge of the parish.  It was probably as easy to use Linton Church as Marden.

George, Iden and Francis (although I'm not sure it's the same one who ends up in Brenchley) plus a Thomas were all baptised in East Peckham, the children of Francis & Ann PLANE.  Beyond them the family has been well documented.

http://memory.loc.gov/master/gdc/scdser01/200401/books_on_film_project/PSCLOC_BF013/PDFs/20070601065ge/00000030.pdf

for further pages just change the number at the end of the URL.

This (supposedly) takes the family back to Alexander IDEN high Sheriff of Kent who, in 1450, killed Jack CADE the leader of a rebellion by Kent and Sussex men trying to force reforms on the government of Henry VI.

[bearkat]

The 1713 marriage of John Plane and Ann Chapman at Teston is a good fit: it is on familysearch but that doesn't mention their parishes of Marden and Linton - I guess they comes from the PR? Yes, I’ve seen the original and there is a transcription on FindMyPast.

I don't see the births of their children John and Iden on familysearch, but you must have a source for these? I have a transcription of East Peckham parish records. John baptised 19/04/1685  Iden 27/02/1687 sons of George & Ann PLANE.

Iden is mentioned in the will of Philadelphia SIMONS - "all my messuage or tenement lands and premises situate being at or near a place called Stile Bridge in Marden aforesaid and now in the occupation or tenure of Iden PLANE.....
You will note from the link to the PLANE tree that I mentioned earlier that the SIMONS family were related.

I have also found the following records:

Marriage George PLAIN to Martha SMITH 1678 at Hunton

Baptism Martha PLAIN daughter of Georg  of East Peckham 27th January 1681 at Yalding

Burial Martha wife of Georg PLAIN of East Peckham 27th January 1681 at Yalding

Marriage George PLANE of Peckham to Anne BEESOM, widow, OTP, 26th June 1684 at All Saints, Maidstone by licence

Canterbury Diocese Marriage Licences :

Geo PLANE to An BEASTON 1684

George PLANE to Mary LAKE 1695 (I don't know if this is the same George yet)

Let me know if you feel this all makes sense.


George PLANE's will dated 1712 is listed here:

http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/ekwills_a/series/ekp_p2/ekp_p2n_pik.htm