Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage

[bkr188]

Hello DML1

Am wondering where the information regarding all the children of Iden and Mary Plane can be found.  I have the children Mary, Iden and John born to Iden and Mary Playne from the baptisms Marden History Group archives, but do not have the others.  They give the location as St Michaels and All Angels Church awa Independant chapel.  Not sure what the two location names mean.  I am working on the hope this is one and the same family.
Cheers
bkr188

 

The children of Iden and Mary Plane at Marden were Mary 1721, Iden 1723, John 1724, Ann 1727 and John 1730. All these names are repeated in the children of John and Ann, tending to confirm that the fathers John and Iden are closely related.


Although Iden Plane was living at Marden around that time, three of his children, John 1724, Anne 1727 and John 1730 were buried at Linton in 1725, 1729 and 1733 respectively. I don't know what to make of that.
I would appreciate any details of the sources for the 1713 marriage at Teston and the births of John Plane and his brother Iden please. And in fact when and where was Iden born?

[DML1]

Thank you for all those details. I think I can see the big picture now. Just the fact that John Plane of Staplehurst named one of his children Iden is a strong indication that he descended from the family on the link you sent, page 23, where Iden Plane is an old family name.
But it also means John of Staplehurst may not be closely related to Iden 1687.
You have detailed the probable lineage in which John of Staplehurst is John 1685, son of George 1650. This supported by the fact that John of Staplehurst named one of his children George.
But the possibility remains to be considered that John of Staplehurst was a son of George's brothers Francis 1647 or Iden 1654, in which case John of Staplehurst could have named his son George after his uncle. Do we know what happened to Francis 1647 or Iden 1654?
As you say, Francis 1647 may possibly have been the one who married Anne Tasker in 1677 and had children Francis 1678, Anne 1679, John 1680 and Thomas 1686 at Brenchley.
I am confused by the Planes at Brenchley. Several Planes were born in Brenchley in the period to 1620 to fathers Robert and William: George 1603, Margaret 1605, Francis 1611 and John 1620.
This could suggest that the Brenchley Planes were a different group form ours.
After Robert died in 1622 there were no more baptisms on familysearch until the children of Francis Plane and Ann Tasker in 1678-1686, including John 1680.  Also at Brenchley, Mary Plane married Thomas Brooker in 1665 and Henery Plane married Sarah Wells in 1684.
We seem to be missing a generation in the middle there. I don't think they all went away and came back again. I am wondering if perhaps Francis, Mary and/or Henery were born at Brenchley in the civil war period so they are not on the PR and familysearch does not know about them.
Perhaps some other source has a record of a Francis born at Brenchley circa 1650, which would confirm that John 1680 is descended from Robert or William, and not from Francis 1647?   

[DML1]

Hello bkr188

I am simply working from familysearch.

The baptisms are just recorded as children of Iden and Mary Plane or Playne at Marden. The source films are 1736878 and 1751979. Per familysearch these correspond to the bishop's and archdeacon's transcripts of the parish register of the parish church of Marden, named the Church of Saint Michael and All Angels.

The tricky part about the children's burials on familysearch is that the burial of John 1724 in 1725 is indexed under the father's name of Jden.

Now that I look there is another burial under the father's name of Jden or Eden also at Linton, for child named Jden or Eden on 2 Aug 1722. This is before the baptism of Iden on 24 Jun 1723. Either one of the dates is wrong, or there was an earlier child called Iden. Do you know when Iden Plane married Mary?

Regards, DML1

[bearkat]

I have found the marriage licence for Iden PLAYN and Mary GILBART at St Mary Magdalene, Old Fish Street, London in 23rd July 1720.

He was of the parish of Marden, 33 years old, a Victualler and a bachelor, she a spinster of Marden, 31 years old

He signed Iden Playn.

[bearkat]

Francis PLAYN married Ann TASKER at Tudeley 17th April 1677.

I have not found any baptisms for Tudely or Capel prior to 1663 and Bishops transcripts only start from 1716 according to the Kent Archives listing


https://shareweb.kent.gov.uk/Documents/leisure-and-culture/archives-and-local-history/Archives%20Parish%20Registers%20Guide.pdf

This may explain the absence of some PLANEs before this time. 

[DML1]

Hello bearcat and bkr188

Bearkat thank you for the details of Iden Plane and Mary's marriage. The date of 23 Jul 1720 means that there was barely enough time for them to have another child Iden before Mary, who was baptised 24 Sep 1721.Mary must have been heavily pregnant at the wedding, or alternatively the 1st Iden was born before the marriage. I can't find a record of his birth. So the burial date of 2 Aug 1722 for Iden at Linton remains questionable. It would mean that of their 6 children, 4 died in childhood and were buried at Linton.

In addition, familysearch has "Idea" Playne buried at Linton on 12 Feb 1773. He would be Iden 1723 rather than Iden 1687? (I assume you have their burial dates?) So 5 of the children of Iden and Mary Plane were buried at Linton. They must have had a family burial area?

I may be able to go and confirm the Linton dates from the PR online on Friday, unless you can do it sooner.

Re the Planes of Brenchley, the possibility I am exploring  is that the Francis Playn who married Ann Tasker was born at Brenchley during the civil war period, and they just married at Tudeley because it was the bride's parish. (Does the marriage record mention Francis' parish?) Francis could have been the son of Francis 1611 or John 1620, both born at Brenchley. That is the birth I am looking for.

It would mean that their son John 1680 was not descended from Francis 1647 of East Peckham, and so would have no reason to name one of his sons George. This would tend to rule out John 1680 as a candidate to be John of Staplehurst, leaving only John 1685. At least that is my thinking.

Regards, DML1

[bearkat]

You've got about as far as I have with this family.

I haven't seen the original parish register entries for Tudeley, Brenchley or Linton to see if any further details are given.

Linton MIs are not included on the Kent Archaeological Society website.  I doubt if any are still readable after all this time but I will put it on my to do list.

[bearkat]

I have a copy of the will 

It definitely mentions son John PLANE and Anne CHAPMAN.

I'll post more when I have deciphered the handwriting 

[bearkat]

I can't make out everything but here goes

I give unto my son John Plane fifteen pounds of good and lawful money of Great Britain

I give and bequeath to my granddaughter Mary Gardiner the daughter of Martha Gardiner the some of five pounds to be paid to her when she shall come to the age of one and twenty years

if it shall happen that my son John Plane shall be married to Anne Chapman daughter of Richd Chapman of Marden my will and   ....  is that the said John shall forfeit all his rights and titles to my temporal estate

son Iden and wife Ann to be executors

Memorandum  That the within named Iden Plane my son I will and bequeath to him the sum of fifty five pounds to be paid to him on..... two years after my death by my executrs

If you let me have your email address by PM I will send you a copy to see what you can make of it all.