Scarrott, Livermore Family in Eastwood HELP!!

[lisajones0230]

   Scarrott / Livermore Family (Romany) Eastwood
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Hello, I am desperate to try and find some information on the Scarrott family of which I am a relative of, so far, I have Emmanualle Scarrott Snr and Helen Scarrott (could be brooks) who gave birth to Sarah Scarrott (my nans mother) in 1901 who died Nov 25 1986 in Eastwood who married Stephen Livermore 1901-1975 died Eastwood 18th November 1975, Emmanualle also gave birth to Alfie Scarrott, Emmanualle JR, Elijah, Matilda, Sylvia and Nelson. Stephen Livermore and Sarah Scarrott (Livermore) gave birth to my nan Matilda Shelley, I am dying to find out more about this part of my family, I seem to have hit a brick wall and know absolutely nothing about them, and certainly nothing about the Romani Part of it?

Unfortunately my mums cousin Charles (Chebbie) Smith took all th information to his grave :-( also the names, Lamb, Bibby, Stone and Smith are in the family tree somewhere along the line? :-S

Any help whatsoever would be so appreciated

Thanks,
Lisa

[crisane]

Hello
I have started looking at the Scarrott family and getting some dates.
FreeBMD has this birth as 1900 not 1901
Births Sep 1/4 1900   
 
Sarah Florence Scarratt   Stoke T. (Staffordshire) vol 6b  page 206

Her marriage
Sarah Scarratt to Stephen Livermore September 1/4 1921 Rochford (Essex) vol 4a page 1783.

Births Mar 1/4 1907   
 
Nelson Scarratt  Rochford vol  4a page 709


Now I have a timeframe to work from. Sarah should be in the 1901 census.

[crisane]

Well the 1901  puts the Smiths and Scarra(i)tts together. In the Occupation column it is headed Gypsies and no birthplaces have been filled in. 

1901 RG13/1644/132/31
Lambourne with Abridge essex
jane mansfield 40
Alice A Mansfield 32
Mary Ellen Mansfield 13
Herbert Jas Mansfield 11
Fred Victor Mansfield 9
Joy Mansfield 6
Albert Mansfield 4
Lily Mansfield 2
Alex Cunningham 29
Elizabeth Lowe 26
Clara Lowe 8
William Lowe 6
Arthur Lowe 4
Elizabeth Lowe 1
Louis Sharp 47
Hannah Draper 35
Sam Draper 23
Mary Ann Draper 24
William Williams 13
Alice Williams 4
Soul Draper 2
Jane Amos 76
Saunders Amos 25
William Page 45
Julia Smith 50
Sam Thompson 35
Christiana Thompson 30
Alfred Thompson 13
William Thompson 9
Daisy Thompson 4
Lilly Thompson 1
Nathaniel Thompson 78
Samson Thompson 22
William Thompson 19
Julia Thompson 13
Amber Brown 64
Gertrude Brown 18
William Brown 60
Alice Williams 38
Henry Williams 12
Berta Williams 5
Emma Williams 2
Alfred Williams 2 months
Joseph Wright 30
Elizabeth Shoesmith 27
Amy Wright 5
Manca Wright 3
James Wright 6 Months
Abraham Gray 48
Saffery Gray 38
Maud Gray 9
John Gray 3
Bartholomew Smith 32
Lizzie Smith 35
Barbara Smith 15
Venus Smith 12
Fred Smith 10
Lizzie Smith 6
Leonard Smith 2
Isiah Shoesmith 54
Rosetta Stacks 54
Martha Shoesmith 20
Mary Shoesmith 18
Isidor Shoesmith 16
Alexander Shoesmith 14
Madona Shoesmith 10
Elias Shoesmith 8
William Law 40
Alfred Scarrit 30
Amelia Scarrit 30
Mauney Scarrit 12
Shadey Scarrit 10
Alfred Scarrit 5
Freddy Scarrit 3
Amy Scarrit 10 months
Emmanuel Scarrit 30
Ellen Scarrit 29
Alice Scarrit 15
Hilda Scarrit 6
Emmanuel Scarrit 3
Alfreda Scarrit 7 months
James Gray 26
Selina Gray 23
Walter Smith 45
Tradey Smith 45
Alfred Smith 21
Christopher Smith 19
Woodlock Smith 15
Obediah Smith 11
Elizah Smith 4
James Smith 43
Rosa Smith 25
Arcolus Smith 19
Simon Smith 15
Prudy Smith 13
Jemima Smith 11
Colman Smith 9
Deliah Smith 7
Crisalla Smith 5
Lovena Smith3

[crisane]

When searching on freebmd.org and other sites it is best if you put the surname in as Scarr*tt so you get results with any of the vowels between the r and t

Having said that I can't see a marriage for Ellen and Em*an*uel c prior to the birth of their son Emmanuel who is 3 in 1901.

There is a marriage in 1907 with an Ellen Brookes and an Emmanuel Scarrett on the same page but whether they married each other only the 1911 census would say.

[crisane]

I can't find Emmanuel and Ellen in 1891 but I did find this 1871 census which I think could be Emmanuel with his parents
1871 RG11/1350/72/59
14 William Street Chiswick
Frederick Scarrott 39 hawker where born Not Known
Sophia Scarrott 40 hawker where born Not Known
Perrence Scarrott 16 son (s/be Terrence?) born wimbledon common
Agnes Scarrott 14 dau Born Stanmore common
Sinenntia Smith 8 dau born Kent
Emanuel Scarrott 12 son born kent
Alfred Scarrott 10 son Born Barnes surrey
Eliza Scarrott 4 dau born Kent
William Scarrott 2 Born Chiswick


freebmd.org on same page
Marriages Sep 1/4 1882 
 
Frederick Scarrott and Sophia Smith   registered at Staines  vol 3a page 3

If this is the marriage of the above Fredk and Sophia then it came a while after the birth of their children.

[lisajones0230]

Oh thank you so much, maybe I am a year out in the birth date then, and perhaps it is Ellen Brookes as apposed to Helen, I know have some more to go by, thanks so so much :0)

[lisajones0230]

Oh I've been told that it's definitely Helen, not Ellen?  X

[crisane]

It is easy to mistake Ellen for Helen and vice versa. No Helen shows up in the censuses.

[smileyface471686]

Emmanuel and his brother Alfred married two Brookes sisters, Ellen and Amelia - I am sure one of their descendents comes on here - if not I will try and find her and put her in touch.  Emmanuel and Alfred were my gt grandmother Conceletta Scarrotts cousins. Their grandparents are John Scarrott and Sarah nee Dore from Ramsden Oxfordshire-there is quite a lot on them in various threads on here.