Cemeteries in Llanllyfni area

[wallise]

Gwil
Thank you that is definitely him the date matches the date of death on the gravestone in the cemetery south of Llanllyfni which also says he died in France. The family lived at Pant Gwyn, Nebo at that time. Is the school at Nebo still a school - is the memorial easy to find I wonder?

Tall Al
Thank you again.  I really don't think she would have been known by any other name although it is curious as on the 1911 census the address is the PO so it could be another family member.
I'll have to ask around when I get there.

[Tall Al]

Hi,

I noted the Post Office address and thought it might be the same family.

Sometimes the ages are mistranscribed  and it may be worth looking at Grave 1256 to see if it could tie in.

At Salem Chapel, there does not appear to be any other "Roberts" from Post Office which links in 

Alan

[Gwil]

I haven't actually visited the memorial at Nebo. I obtained details of it's content some time ago at Gwynedd Archives (can't readily find those notes at the moment)

There is a photo here
http://www.nantlle.com/history-nebo-nasareth-gallery.htm
but unfortunately it's not clear.
Google maps search of Nebo Primary School indicates it's still in use. Street view shows the memorial. I tried to read it but it proved a bit elusive to zero in on.

Do you have family info that identifies him on CWGC etc?
There is no William Roberts to that date but family graves data can often differ.

I'm normally loathe to discuss 'best possibles' but in this case, just in case, the 'best possible' is
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1767773/ROBERTS,%20WILLIAM
whose Soldiers Died Great War entry shows born Carnarvon, enlisted Newport, reside Abertillery, killed in action 25 9 1915.
No papers that I can see to link him to North Wales. It's my experience that Carnarvon in 'where born' can mean the town, outlying villages or even the Shire.

[wallise]

Thanks again.
I looked at the CWGC webste a while ago and also concluded that the William Roberts that you refer to is most likely to be him. My grandfather was his older brother and had by then moved to South Wales to work in the coal mines -so -he may well have done the same. The grave memorial says he died on 15th Sept 1915 but I believe that the regiment was involved in a majore offensive on 15th Sept and he may have been injured in the battle and died on 25th.
One day I hope to trace some family members that descend from another brother and maybe they will have more details as they stayed in the Pen y Groes area.
Thanks also to Tall Al--I will check that grave too.

[Gwil]

The SDGW entry differentiates between KIA and DoW etc. His entry says Killed in Action. It's not gospel of course and the apparent lack of papers for him is frustrating.

The 2nd Bn Welch Regt were heavily involved in the Battle of Loos on 25th September
see
http://www.1914-1918.net/bat13.htm

Had he Died of Wounds then he is highly likely to have a grave, especially 10 days after when he should be way down the casualty trail away from the front. As it is he is on the Loos Memorial i.e no known grave. 

It's not uncommon for family graves to be slightly out. It depends when it was etched on and that could be when the next burial took place maybe years later.

I can't see anything in my notes for any potential siblings. to the Pant Gwyn address Have you any other address (inc any Abertillery/S Wales ones)

[wallise]

I went over to Llanllyfni area today--unfortunately the Salem cemetery was locked so will have to go back. I visited the War Memorial at Nebo and the date of death also says 15th Sept,
The family were at Pant Gwyn through the 1890's and still there on 1901 census--there were 13 children born in all of which 6 survived infancy, On the 1911 census there are 2 sons left living with their widowed mother Hannah--ie Robert and William -however their address is recorded as the PO, Nasareth- not sure though if they lived at the Post Office or whether they collected post there as Pant Gwyn was a bit remote.
I don't have any S Wales addresses for William. My grandfather ended up in Mountain Ash near Aberdare which is not really very close to Abertillary but I guess they went where the work could be found.

[nevrob]

My name is N Roberts I am the grandson of William R Roberts of Pant Gwyn Nebo. My fathers name was R W Roberts. If you require any more info on his family please contact me.

[wallise]

Hello
Thanks for the message and nice to hear from you. The previous posts on this topic were written in 2012. Since then I have moved to live in North Wales and learnt a lot more about the family. I had a lovely afternoon visiting your brother and sister-in-law in Talysarn recently. Until I spoke to them I had assumed that William Roberts had died without having children. I knew about your family as you visited us in Barry in the 1960's but I thought you must have descended from another of great-grandmother, Hannah Roberts' children. Since my visit to Talysarn when I also visited Catherine Roberts I have learned more about Hannah Roberts (born Williams) and her roots at Plas Llecheiddior, Bryncir. When I get round to updating the tree properly I plan to send a link to your brother so that they can view it -I can also send to you if you wish.  I actually don't have a name for William Roberts' wife on the family tree -it would be good to fill that in.
I have found nothing more about the Roberts' line --apart from the fact that great grandfather was Robert Roberts and that he died in his 40's. Do you know any more?

[johnalwynjones]

Hi
There are 4 main cemeteries in Llanllyfni, the one to the south you mention is Gorffwysfa on Bryn Sisyllt where a lot of Nebo/ Nazareth families are buried.
Moving north down Rhedyw Road on the right is Salem near the Primary School, the one that Tall Al mentioned whose burial records are available. Very close to is Bara Caws the Scotch Baptist Cemetery (unsure if that is open to the public) and at the bottom is St Rhedyw parish church that I believe is still used.
I have a photo of the War Memorial in Nebo if you are interested.