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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 02:39 GMT (UK) »
Oh pleased there is a headstone Kathy as my resource of photographs at Cheltenham does not list one for HAMMER. but I did say initially....There doesn't appear to be a headstone for them at Cheltenham.  reply#5.  I think the resource was compiled a number of years ago.  Do you think the headstone is the original one ie placed in 1929 and Edwards name added in 1947 or a more recent placement.  Just curious really. ;)

Perhaps you could put a photo of their headstone on your tree but then the other researchers would probably copy it without any acknowledgement.  You could put print copyright and your name right across the photo in feint font ie a watermark so the headstone could be seen but if copied others would know who owns the photo.

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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 05:12 GMT (UK) »


If you google something like " Samoa 1889 Olga navy" there are good accounts to find....sounds like this ship....spectacular cyclone in March 1889, involvement in Samoan wars....European powers competing for influence in Samoa.

Might have shaped his decision to leave the ship?

Marriage SA for Clara Rika HAMMER and James Roy BOYLE 
Port Adelaide  1933   339/471

Rika might have been a badly transcribed "Rita" but she is Clara Rika at death.

This sounds rather European and might be name of female relative of Edward Hammer?


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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 08:49 GMT (UK) »
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44042066?searchTerm=edward hammen&searchLimits=

This also confirms that Edward Hammer on the Ogla could not be the Edward Hammer from Broken Hill
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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 09:27 GMT (UK) »


If you google something like " Samoa 1889 Olga navy" there are good accounts to find....sounds like this ship....spectacular cyclone in March 1889, involvement in Samoan wars....European powers competing for influence in Samoa.

Might have shaped his decision to leave the ship?

Quite a bit of information already on the thread.  Link to Samoan Civil War which mentions the OLGA and the cyclone in reply#14 and during the Samoan conflict 1887-1889 Edward married in 1886 in Broken Hill and fathered children born 1888 and 1890.

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Marriage SA for Clara Rika HAMMER and James Roy BOYLE 
Port Adelaide  1933   339/471

Rika might have been a badly transcribed "Rita" but she is Clara Rika at death.

This sounds rather European and might be name of female relative of Edward Hammer?
wivenhoe

The SA Marriage index shows Clara Rika HAMMER to be 31 years of age when she married and her father to be Edward HARMER   You posted her birth previously.

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30366/1901    HAMMER    Clara R    parents Edward/Mary A
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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 09:32 GMT (UK) »
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44042066?searchTerm=edward hammen&searchLimits=

This also confirms that Edward Hammer on the Ogla could not be the Edward Hammer from Broken Hill

Thanks for that MargP and confirms my suspicions that HAMMEN not HAMMER was initially was Edward's surname.

Barrier Miner   Thursday 18 April 1889
Edward Hammen stated : Am a laborer living at Broken Hill ; remember Sunday, October 7; was in Argent-street between 12 and 1 that night ; heard a cry of "Stop thief" and "Murder;" saw a man running ; I ran over and caught him ; another man came up from the direction of Block 14 ; this man was the prisoner ; he had a knife in his hand ; he put the knife to the man Fielder's throat; ..........

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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 10:53 GMT (UK) »

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Barrier Miner  6 Apr 1900
...........The health of Mr. Matters was drank with enthusiasm. Mr. E. Hammen then on behalf of the employed on the Junction presented the guest with a suitably-inscribed gold Waltham watch and a neatly-designed medal.


Barrier Miner  2 Jul 1891

At to-morrow's sittings of the Land  Board, the following applications will be heard :-Charles Jones, Robert J. McLaughlin, John Henry Ellis, Joseph Cosgrove, Thomas J. Townshend, William B. Woodhead, Edmund Veal, Robert Thompson, Charles Moore, Thomas William Clark, Thomas Edwards, Chris.. J. Mitchell, Henry Milbourne, Thomas W. Hooker, J. A. Moore Sheehy, Arthur T. Teasdale, Edward Conrad, John Logie, Georgo Lock, John O'Connell, John N. Lindo, Alfred E. Weir, Elizabeth C. Harm, Edward Hammen.......


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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #24 on: Friday 14 December 12 08:28 GMT (UK) »
FYI - I have obtained a copy of Edward Hammer death certificate - states that he was from England and had been in the Commonwealth for 70 years at time of death. Spoke with a relative today and he believes he was on a ship at the age of 15 (possibly a cabin boy) and jumped ship. It is rumoured that he was originally from Holand and his mother placed him on a ship bound for England at the age of 10-12 years due to a plague outbreak in Holand (research shows there was a smallpox plague 1870-1872)

I haven't been able to identify any ships with his name on it  >:(

Cheers  :-\

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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 15 December 12 01:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for attaching his death certificate.  It actually states his place of birth was England however information on death certificates is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant. Family stories can become distorted with the re-telling over the years but should never be ignored. 

Transcriptions of death certificates are available in South Australia.  About half the cost of a certified certificate and the information is the same.


If Edward was crew and jumped ship in South Australia, you will not find his name on any online passenger lists. 

The Adelaide Office of the National Archives of Australia holds a variety of records relating to ship crews including deserters, discharges, and engagements from 1852.

Extensive information on ships and maritime history is also held by the State Library of South Australia.


Perhaps work from facts you know to be true.  This is his marriage and the certificate would assist you with your research.

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Marriage with mistranscribed surname.

7623/1886
HAMMEN Edward
RICKARD Mary A
District Silverton

If you wish to purchase a transcription of their marriage from an accredited transcription agent[cheaper than the certified certificate] I think you need to order using the mistranscribed name on the index but the registration number would bring up the correct registration anyway.    I am more familiar with Vic records.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cando

This would cost c$18 and his parents' names, age, place of birth should be detailed.

Information on Marriage Certificates in New South Wales

*Bridegroom's full name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place and date of birth, age,    father's name and mother's maiden name
*Bride's full name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place and date of birth, age, father's name and mother's maiden name
*Celebrant's name and witnesses

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Cando
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Re: Hammer Family Tree
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 06 January 13 22:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi ALL -hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New Year.

Just letting you know I  received the Marriage info for Hammer/Rickard  - unfortunately Im no closer to finding where he came from or his parents as there was minimal info

i have attached a copy of what I receivd.

Cheers

Kathy