Sims family in Riddings Derbys.

[sherlock5]

I am trying to trace John Sims who the 1861 census shows as having been born in Riddings, Derbyshire in 1817 but find that the village church was only built in 1832.  Does anyone know where there may be records of baptism etc held.  I have not been able to trace census records before 1861 when he was living in West Bromwich  but I do know from his marriage certificate that his father was also named John and was an excavator.  .

[Isobelruss]

Can you give 61 details please.Did you mean he was in West Bromich in 61 or on earlier census?

[Manchester Rambler]

Here's the family in 1851:

HO107/2025/342/26
Duke St, West Bromwich
John SIMS  Head  32  Coal Miner  b. West Bromwich
Mary SIMS  Wife  26  b. Wednesbury
Eliza SIMS  Dau  7  Scholar  b. West Bromwich
Robert SIMS  Son  5  Scholar  b. West Bromwich
[Unnamed] SIMS  Son  1 week  b. West Bromwich

Although John gives his place of birth in 1851 as West Bromwich, this seems to match the family in 1861:

RG9/2026/34/25 
Duke St, West Bromwich
John SIMS  Head  41  Coal Miner  b. Rhyddings, Derbyshire
Mary SIMS  Wife  39  b. Wednesbury
Eliza SIMS  Dau  15  b. Wednesbury 
Robert SIMS  Son 14  Mill Furnace Man  b. Wednesbury
Joseph SIMS  Son  10  Forgeman  b. Wednesbury
Hannah SIMS  Dau  8  b. Wednesbury
Thomas SIMS  Son  5  b. Wednesbury
Mary SIMS  Dau  2  b. Wednesbury
William SIMS  Son  11 months  b. Wednesbury

Rambler

[stanmapstone]

I am trying to trace John Sims who the 1861 census shows as having been born in Riddings, Derbyshire in 1817 but find that the village church was only built in 1832.  Does anyone know where there may be records of baptism etc held.

Riddings ecclesiastical parish was formed in 1851 from the parish of Alfreton. The church was a former Chapel of Ease.

Stan

[sunflower]

There is a baptism of a John Sims in Alfreton 13 Dec 1812 to John & Mary Sims

Carol

[sherlock5]

Thank you all very much.  This does seem to be "my" John.  He continues to use West Bromwich as place of birth on census' up to 1881 when he reverts to Derbyshire and I think I have traced one of the witnesses at his wedding (Robert Nelson) as being born in Alfreton

[beanbags]

hi re john sims he is my great grandfatheri have quite a lot of informationwhich may help i have his birth certificate and death certificate   so  if i can help with any thing further  please let me know

[sherlock5]

John Sims is my 2 x great grandfather through his son Robert (1846- 1923).  I have his marriage certificate for 5 Feb 1844 in West Bromwich showing wife Mary Ann Wright, father as John and his age as 27. I also have his death certificate 28 Dec 1883 and a copy of his will listing all his children but have had trouble tracing his birth and where he was prior to marriage so his birth details would be marvellous. I was hoping to "flesh out" the family - his granddaughter, my grandmother, never spoke of her family.

[beanbags]

hi sorry about building your hopes up it was my first posting i meant to sayi have his marriage  and death certificate but not birth certificate  but i have allhis families  censuses 1851 to 1911 it was his  birth details i also require  can only apologise again for the mistake