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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #9 on: Monday 10 December 12 21:43 GMT (UK) »
1851 for Reuben & Sophia
 HO107;  1638;  364;  17 - Warbleton

Reuben Stevens   50 b. Etchingham
Sophia Stevens   70 b. Warbleton
Elizabeth Stevens   13 niece b. Jevington
George Pankhurst   25 servant (ag lab) b. HEathfield

not sure i am going down the right path here


1861 - still Warbleton
Reuben Stevens   60 b. Etchingham
Sophia Stevens   61 b. Warbleton
Elizabeth Stevens   23 niece b. Willingdon
Reuben Sweetman   13 nephew b. Warbleton
 RG 9 569; 118;  11;
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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 December 12 08:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Toni.  Re the right path. 
Unfortunately I do not subscribe to those websites that ask for large subscription fees, so my access to census info is more via indexes to them than the censuses themselves.  I had picked up that Reuban & Sophia Stevens always seemed to be sequential entries with Mary's family, suggesting they may have either been living together or in close proximity with them.   Your findings on the 51 & 61 census above tell us they were certainly not living under the same roof, but do seem to have a liking for permanently accommodating displaced members of the family, so perhaps are still worthy of consideration.

As for the elusive Joshua Stevens of Hailsham, the LDS Copy of the 1871 census is a little flexible with his age, but lists him and his wife Mary Ann Stevens, and children: Flora Eunice Stevens 1864 and​ Joshua Chas Stevens 1868.  He is still in the same location in 1881 (a further year of flexibility with his age), and appears as a widowed pork butcher, having seven children to care for.   Mary Ann died Hailsham district 1880 (Freebmd)

It might be worth your while to find or purchase a copy of his marriage cert to see who he lists his father as, and who were the witnesses.
His marriage was in the Hailsham district, Sept quarter 1863, ref 2b 101,  Joshua Stevens to Mary Ann Paine.

LONGSHOT
Given the fact that FreeBMD has no Joshua Stevens - Stephens born Sussex 10 months before the 1841 census, a longshot is a Freebmd first name search for a Joshua (no surname) born in the Hailsham district about that time.  Only one name turns up, a Joshua Billins, birth registered in the Hailsham district in the June quarter of 1840.  Could this be your Joshua's birth registered under the surname of a father who was not married to his mother?  The 1841 census shows only 3 people with the Billins surname in Sussex, all of them living in Hailsham, and none a Joshua.  Two were husband and wife, born in the 1780s, and the other a William Billins born 1821.  Unfortunately there were also a number of people in Hailsham whose surname was Billiness but again there is no Joshua amongst them.  So there certainly was a Joshua Billins or Billiness born about 10 months before the 1841 census who that census has no record of.  The question you have to ask yourself is, could Joshua Billins have been the 10 month old son living with a 40 year old Mary Stevens who either was, or purported to be, his mother?

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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 11 December 12 21:19 GMT (UK) »
thank you for your thoughts Roy that is certainly something to consider.  :)
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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 December 12 21:45 GMT (UK) »
There's a Joshua Stevens in Heathfield on 1861 - "son in law"  of James Luck (55) and Mary (40). Guessing this is as in step son, given he is unmarried.  Need to find a marriage but wonder if this is Mary the daughter


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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 11 December 12 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Have found the family in 1851, ref HO107/ 1638/ 393/ 7 - transcribed as Lucks

James is a beer house keeper with Mary Ann, who Ancestry have as 50 but probably 30? Joshua is listed as a Lucks, aged 10. Also with them is a Naomi, aged 19

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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 11 December 12 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Hmm - Mary is again older than James on 1871 (aged 76) so my theory may not be that strong. UNless  she's Mary senior?? If her age is rounded down on 1841, it's possible.


Looking again, on 1861 there's a James Mitchell, 12 yr old grandson with James & Mary Luck - checking back it's quite possible he's Matilda's son and Mrs Luck is mary senior.


I haven't seen a marriage - but it does raise the question is Joshua the son of James Luck?

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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 11 December 12 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the other options suggested - I can see a Joshua Billings aged 1 in Warbleton on 1841 and 11 on 1851, son of John and Hannah

Joshua Billings
Christening Date  29 Mar 1840
Christening Place  Warbleton, Sussex, England
Father  John Billings
Mother  Hannah

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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 03:26 GMT (UK) »
The further alternative spelling of Billins = Billings and a Joshua Billings of about the right age turning up in both Baptisms and census, certainly kills off my theory.   Pity, I thought we may have cracked it.    Roy G

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Re: Joshua Stevens / Stephens 1840
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 11:26 GMT (UK) »
thats brilliant thanks for your work x
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