Samuel Dudley - Western Australia

[cando]

Shane do you think these are the children of Peter HOOBIN and Bridget CUNNIFFEc1825-1914

Bridget  - see below
Peter    c1857 - 16 Jun 1907
John     c1858 - 4 Apr 1902
Bartholomew  - 1923
Patrick   c1864 - 1954
Mary     7 Apr 1866-1895
Thomas 5 Oct 1868 - 18 Feb 1918
Annie    4 Apr 1876 -13 Jul 1886

This is the only Bridget HOOBIN death I can find with has no parents listed.  Could Bridget possibly have gone to NSW with Bartholomew.  Could she have died in childbirth?  Is she the mother of Annie born 1876 as you have pointed out Bridget, her mother is too old, according to her age at death, to be having a child when c51 years.  A Patrick HOOBEN was in Sydney in 1893 according to a snip re hotel licences in the SMH.

Deaths
137/1890    
HOOBIN Bridget
Parents Unknown
District Sydney

278/1890    
HOOBIN Lulie
Father not named  MOther Bridget
District Sydney   

[shane9]

Guys

Sorry about the typos last night, dam spell check.

I have bitten the bullet and ordered the two documents:

Samuel Dudley's 1922 marriage to Martha and

Bridget Hoobin's 1914 Death Certificate

Regards Samuel's 1922 marriage certificate, it only lists one previous marriage to Mary Hoobin and no additional children.  No mention of WA at all.

Regards Bridget Hoobin's death certificate, it lists lots of useful information.  I would attach a copy if I knew how.  The main points are:

She had 8 children listed in the following order:

1 Peter - Dead
2 Bridget - Dead
3 Patrick - Age 52
4 Bartholomew - Age 48
5 Thomas - Age 46
6 John - Dead
7 Mary - Dead
8 Anne - Dead

Regards her Husband it says
- Husband - Peter Hoobin
- Age at Marriage - 20 years
- Place - England

Place Born
- Galway Ireland
- 1 year in South Australia
- 29 years in Victoria

Parents
- Father Unknown Cuiniff
- Mother Unknown

Age
- 89 years (this does not look correct to me)

Place Died
- Convent of the Little Sisters of the Poor, City of Northcote

I will sit down and look through your great notes and input together with the new information and try and make it all fit together.  But it does look like all those Hoobin's that arrived from 1879 to 1885 were the one family.


Cheers

Shane Dudley

[shane9]

Sorry, just saw how to add an attachment

Cheers

Shane

[cando]

He said she was born in 1846 (one of three children John, Mary and Bridget) to Michael Cunniffe and Ellen Craddock.

Age
- 89 years (this does not look correct to me)

It would appear from the order of the children on Bridget's death certificate that Peter may have been the eldest and according to his death registration he was born c1857 so doubt she was born 1846.

Regards Samuel's 1922 marriage certificate, it only lists one previous marriage to Mary Hoobin and no additional children.  No mention of WA at all.

I think I would have purchased the certificate of what I suspect is his 2nd marriage.  You know he married Martha GREEN.  Gee bit of an age gap!

 

Perhaps his second marriage cert may have info about his first marriage ie it should have and if it is your man.  Usually shown - marital state and number of children living and/or deceased if applicable. I doubt you will find anymore about his time in WA other than the electoral listings and news snippets ie if it is him who was injured.  What else are you expecting to find?  It would appear his ?second wife did not go to WA.
Cando

It appears to me that either the informant or the registrar couldn't make up their minds whether Bridget was married in England or Ireland.  I suspect it was Ireland. Look at the 'r' and compare it to the 'n's on the page.  I noticed a number of HOBIN's and CUNNIFFE's on the Griffiths Valuations in Galway.  There is a marriage of a Bridget CUNNIFFE in 1856 in England but not to a Peter HOOBIN.  I suppose there is always the possibility that her marriage to Peter was her second, however as her eldest son was named Peter I doubt it.

[shane9]

I have finally a bit of time to sit down and look at all the responses.  Thanks everyone for the input.

I think I have a good position on the Hoobin's and have attached a summary table of that family.

Regards Samuel, I think he only had two marriages and not three.  The first marriage to Mary Hoobin in 1889 and a second to Martha Green in 1922.  Can not find a record of a marriage for Samuel during his time in WA from 1895 to about 1911 and there is no mention of a marriage in WA in his Martha Green marriage certificate or his death certificate.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Merry Christmas
Shane Dudley

[cando]

I disagree with your comment that simply because you cannot find a marriage in WA and a possible second marriage is not mentioned on the later marriage cert, that it did not occur.

Can you prove that and yes you would need to purchase the marriage I found in Victoria.

You appear to have ignored the research about Madeline/Margaret STEPH.

Marriage
DUDLEY Samuel born Victoria
STEPH Madeline born Fitzroy
1899  Reg#1382

And Season's Greetings to you as well

Cheers
Cando

[kathy layfield]

HI Shane i thought you might like a little more information regarding Samuel Dudiey and Margaret Stelp. They were married in 1899 their son Louis was born in 1899 and was put in the st Vincents De Paul Orphanage was taken out and was working on the Thains property in St arnaud .He married Eveyln Brown in St Arnaud and had three children.Their first daughter Evelyn also known as moya was put into St Adians Orphanage Bendigo she was born in 1922 Was adopted by mary Thain and did not know Louis And evelyn Dudley were her real parents until she was married with children of her own .so John and Ita Dudley are her siblings Moya Married Lionel Layfield 1n 1943 And died in 2002 aged 92 .Louis and Evelyn dudley are my husband grandparents
                                                                                     regards kathy

[xX.M.J.L.X.x]

Hi Everyone,

I've just found this site while trying to track down my 4x great grandparents.
I saw this post and I'm not sure how much help I can be but Martha Green was once my great grandmother.
She was married to my great grandfather Andrew Lavell for a very short period of time.
I also have contact with one Annie Green's grandchildren... Annie Green was Martha's sister