Samuel Dudley - Western Australia

[sparrett]

As a sideline-
I think the Andrew STELP in WA may well have been the father of MADELINE/MARGARET. There seem to be no others of the name around that time.

He had married in 1923 to GERTRUDE DARGEedit DRAGE whose son  (Andrew's stepson) died a little mysteriously in WA. in 1923 (#15)

GERTRUDE and ANDREW divorced in 1934 and there are accounts of his conduct etc in the papers.

ANDREW's wife CATHERINE had died in 1907. ANDREW died in 1948 at Kattaning (#30)

Sue

 

[cando]

That's the info I found but I think Andrew would be a tad old to be re-marrying in 1923 as he was fathering children in Victoria from 1870.  There is no marriage in Victoria for Andrew STELP and Catherine BOLAND it is possible that Andrew in WA may be his son possibly born overseas .  According to Catherine's death registration in 1907 she was born c1837.

Cheers 
Cando

[cando]

According to this record Andrew was born c1837.

STELP Andrew  24 years
Admitted 20 May 1871
Doctor Wilkie
Melbourne Hospital Book# 302  Page#7

Cando

[cando]

Marriage
LAVELL Andrew born Longford
GREEN Martha born Longford
1910  Reg#5830

I can find Samuel living in the Limerick Castle Hotel at 63 Johnston Street Collingwood in the 1914 voter rolls.  In 1919 he appears to be at  56 Easey Street as a Barman. In 1924 he is with his new wife Martha at Coppin street Richmond.

It would appear they were living together well before their marriage in 1924.

Australian Electoral Roll
1914
LA VELL Martha  Limerick Castle Hotel  Johnston Street  Collingwood  Licensee

1919
LA VELL Martha  56 Easey Street, Collingwood  Home duties

I can see in the voter rolls of 1936 that a Martha Dudley and Ruby Elizabeth Dudley are sharing a house in East Melbourne.

This is not your Martha on the 1936 electoral roll.  These people were on the 1919 electoral roll living at Euroa with the same occupations.

You have stated

he gives his estate to Martha Dudley and her daughter Ruby Gilbey Cobb

Birth
GREEN Ruby Gilby
Father Unknown  Mother Martha GREEN
At Carlton 1905  Reg#9029

Marriages
LAVELL Ruby Gilby
COBB Roy James
1925  Reg#11770

In 1930 Roy James COBB was living in NSW.  He died 9 Aug 1989 aged 87 years in Melbourne and was cremated at Fawkner Memorial Park. His ashes were scattered. 

Marriage
LAVELL Ruby Gilbied [sic]
EVANS Archie Leonard Stewart
1935  Reg#13574

Death
EVANS Ruby Gilby
Parents Unknown
At Melbourne  1978  72 years  Reg#161

Australian Electoral Roll

Archie Leonard Stewart EVANS was in WA in 1916 and Qld 1919
1937
EVANS Leonard Stewart  81 Miller Street, Northcote  Driver
EVANS Ruby Gilbee  81 Miller Street, Northcote  HD

1942
EVANS Leonard Stewart  2 Fraser Street Glenhuntly  Driver
EVANS Ruby Gilbey  2 Fraser Street Glenhuntly  HD

1954
EVANS Ruby Gilbey  20 Palmerston Crescent, South Melbourne  Barmaid

1963
EVANS Ruby Gilbey  Flat 6/366 Carlisle Street, Ripponlea  Sales Cashier

1968
EVANS Ruby Gilby   102 Tooronga Road, Malvern East  No occupation

1972
EVANS Ruby Gilby  25 Orange Road Balaclava  No occupation

1977
EVANS Ruby Gilby 3/10 Tennyson Street, St Kilda  No occupation

Buried at Springvale Botanical Cemetery
EVANS  Ruby Evans   73 years
Religion Roman Catholic     Died 27 Dec 1977  Buried  27 Dec 1977   
Located at    Dr. McLorinan Lawn, Lawn/Lawn Beam, Row R Grave# 66    

Cando

[cando]

Andrew Duncan LAVELL has a service file on http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=7378159&S=1&T=R

When he inlisted in 1915 his NOK was Mathar [sic] LAVELL with address Clark [sic] of Courts, Collingwood Town Hall.  It would appear they were separated by this date.  His address was in Clifton Hill.

Argus Tue 14 Feb 1922
DIVORCE COURT
Before the Chief Justice in the Practice Court yesterday, Martha Lavell, of Carnarvon street, Brunswick, sought a dissolution of her marriage with Andrew Lavell, of A'Beckett street, Melbourne, on the grounds of desertion. The marriage, it was explained, took place in July, 1010, and about 12 months later, said Mrs. Lavell, her husband deserted her. She had since been told that he was living with another woman in Carlton. A decree nisi was granted, with costs. Mr. T Power appeared for the petitioner.

This looks like Martha's birth
GREEN Martha
Father Charles  Mother Eliza WEBB
At Sale  1884  Reg#5207

Cando

[shane9]

Cando

Thanks for all your help.  The information you supplied was most helpful. 

Cheers

Shane Dudley

[cando]

Have you purchased any certs to validate the research?

Cando

[shane9]

Cando

Yes I have.

I have a copy of Samuel Dudley's death certificate, a copy of his first marriage certificate and a copy of his will.  I also have a copy of his father's and mother's death certificates and wills, plus some of his original letters to his family.  I am also planning on going to the cemetery soon and taking a few pictures of the headstones, were they exist.

Am I missing something?

Samuel's direct line of relatives (he is my great grand uncle) who live in Queensland (i am in Victoria) have been asking me questions about him and i am trying my best to fill in the blanks.  They are very interested in his time in WA (looking for lost relatives if they exist) and his first wife Mary Hoobin.

Mary Hoobin is proving a challenge also.  I know she died in 1895, and from her marriage certificate I know she was born in Galway Ireland around 1866 to a Peter Hoobin and Bridget Cunniffe.  From my grandfathers book he said that, "After leaving home as a young man he married Mary Hooban, whose parents were hotel-keepers in South Melbourne. He (Samuel Dudley) at times acted as host to his younger brother Jim from the country, when on an occasional visit to Melbourne."  The challenge is that there appears to be quiet a few Hoobin's who were hotel keepers in Melbourne at the time, who were reported to be of low morals (as per police reports in The Argus).  The trouble i am having is that i can not find Mary Hoobin and her parents entering Victoria (must have been prior to her wedding in June 1889), and I can not make a connection to the Mary's family and the other Hoobin's that were hotel keepers all over Melbourne up until the 1950's.  The Hoobin hotel keepers mentioned in The Argus I think were a group of brothers originally from South Australia.  There must be some connection there somewhere so I will keep looking.

Thanks for all your help Cando.  If you have any ideas re Mary Hoobin I would be greatful.

Cheers

Shane Dudley

[cando]

Perhaps his second marriage cert may have info about his first marriage ie it should have and if it is your man.  Usually shown - marital state and number of children living and/or deceased if applicable. I doubt you will find anymore about his time in WA other than the electoral listings and news snippets ie if it is him who was injured.  What else are you expecting to find?  It would appear his ?second wife did not go to WA.

I'm not at home so have no resources to help with his first wife's family.

Cheers 
Cando